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      2 days ago

      I mean, that argument seems a little… hyperbolic.

      It is possible for people to disagree and not be dicks about it.

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        Sure, but “you were mean to me so now I’m joining maga” is pretty silly.

        Some people are like that, I guess, but if someone rudely explains how racism is deeply entrenched in the US that doesn’t mean they’re wrong. Rejecting their message because they were mean is childish.

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          You were the one who brought up that comic, not me. Yes, it is rather silly, or I would say reductionistic.

          But the aggressively ignorant and apathetic can fuck right off.

          I’m not (fully) disagreeing with your statement here btw.

          Though this one here again is too reductionistic:

          Rejecting their message because they were mean is childish.

          I am saying read up about how human psychology works. Let’s use a hypothetical: a single mother, widowed even, is trying to take care of multiple children, and on her way to work every single leftist that she knew irl punched her in the face every single day. On outcome is that she would probably be unlikely to desire to spend the time to even so much as read what leftist philosophy is all about, and therefore she would come away with a false impression of what it even meant.

          Consider the case of Christianity: do those who e.g. interrupt funeral proceedings holding signs and yelling at the top of their lungs how “god hates f4*s!” provide an accurate portrayal of their supposedly central message of showing love to one another (gentleness, faithfulness, self control, and the like)?

          Likewise communists punching out not actual Nazis but merely the stressed out and uninformed - particularly those less intellectually endowed - is not likely to win many converts to the cause. But that’s just my two cents.

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            and on her way to work every single leftist that she knew irl punched her in the face every single day.

            But no there’s no corresponding “leftists are doing something like punching her in the face” in real life. Certainly not “every single” one. I agree that people are emotionally driven ( https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe is a good comic about it ).

            There are extremists in any sect - the christian fanatics, animal rights ecoterrorists, whatever. But it’s not “the left” as a whole, or even a majority.

            Unless, I guess, you consider a scenario like

            “I just think gay people shouldn’t be so visible. It’s confusing to my children”

            “That’s a messed up thing to say. Gay people are a part of life. Shunting them into the closet so you can avoid a mildly uncomfortable conversation is unjust”

            to be punching someone in the face.