In an attempt to better understand Lemmy I’m wondering if some of you can shed a light on what the deal is between.ml and .world. The history, any significant event or a betrayal, how did we all run away from spez only to come here and throw mud at each other?

I’m sure it confuses a great deal of Reddit refugees who just signed up with the largest instance because of (in my case future proofing) reasons.

I’m wondering how this historic feud came to be and how I can be called a “Zionist” just because of my instance, and they are called “fascists” even though I’ve come across some pretty levelheaded people from that instance too.

Please, keep it civil!

I’m not trying to start a fight or mud slinging, it would be good if several people could say their piece and nobody shame or attack them for it no matter how much you disagree.

Thanks

  • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
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    There’s no specific instance wide feud between the two or anything. At a high level, .world is just the biggest Lemmy server currently by MAU and .ml is just the oldest and flagship ones run by the main developers of the Lemmy software.

    Now, the moderation philosophy between the two differs a fair bit, which is where the rivalries and the bad blood develops between users. On most general topics you’d see very little difference, but as soon as discussion touches the Russia-Ukraine conflict, anything negative about China, and the Israel-Palestine war, the mods on ml are aggressively one-sided in their moderation, and consider anything that goes against that perception as hate-speech against Russia/China/Palestine even if that’s not what you are saying. If you want an illustrative example, look in the modlog at the ‘nazi apologia’ comment I was tempbanned from !memes@lemmy.ml for.

    Still, as community and instance managers, that’s their right. There’s significant overlap between lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml where moderation is more overtly this way, and hexbear.net where users like to communicate with image macros more in ways that I think most other server members find annoying. Some on world don’t like that so certain users crosspost discussions from ml communities onto world communities. Some users call the ml folks tankies for their disdain of violence committed everywhere except where committed by Russia, China and its allies. Some ml users (and many lemmygrad+hexbear users) call users on other servers libs for the converse reason, excusing or not pushing back hard enough on atrocities and oppression caused by Western governments. Some users like to generalize these characterizations to every user of an instance, it seems.

    Aside from high profile defederations with ml or world and some servers for various reasons, refederations, redefederations between hexbear and other servers, there have not been any specific incidents that have caused .world and .ml to grow apart. I think it’s fine to let each server have its space.

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        Hey, I’m aware I have my own biases. I’ve tried to describe the situation in a fair and reasoned way as best I can, based off the experiences I’ve had over the last 3.5 years, including before lemmy.world even started, your experience may differ from mine and that’s okay. I donate quarterly to the Lemmy devs and occasionally to my homeserver’s foundation, so please feel free to accuse me of bias in either way.

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        I find it’s quite accurate.

        Try going on a .world community and talking about the genocide of Palestinians then try going on a .ml community and try talking about the genocides of Ukraine and Uyghurs and get back to me.

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          Try looking at Gell-Mann amnesia, CIA meddling and psyops, psychological denial to the point of being unable to consider different perspectives and explanations and get back to me.

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              You’ve been offered our views multiple times and refused to consider for an instant. I’m not doing it again. You know where to find the information and reflect.

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                  You’ve been offered our views multiple times and refused to consider for an instant. I’m not doing it again. You know where to find the information and reflect.

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                    Have you ever stopped to consider that an instance shouldn’t have homogeneous views supporting the genocide of innocent men, women and children?

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            One other point on this I got a couple month instance ban from little spez on .ml for talking about the genocides of Ukrainians and the Uyghurs and I’ve never got one on .world for defending Palestine and talking shit about Israel