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Were they free to go elsewhere? Could they without the transportation to make it? How many died while doing so? How could they afford it or afford something like a bike or a boat? Did they even know other places existed and what was there? It probably wasn’t the best life either.

There’s more than way to be slaved to a place, if you don’t make “money”, or can’t move elsewhere because various reasons. You’re not free.

You’re not looking at this broad enough. You’re too fixated on yourself. The rose colored glasses some people have of the past is just astounding.

And without money, what are you? A slave, you contradict yourself in your own statements. Every community has a currency of some sort, everyone’s time is valued, or you are the textbook definition of a slave dude.

If you pay people who deliver that way an affordable wage, it’s not cost effective in today’s world.

Not having roads only work when slaves are involved and you don’t care about human life. We’ve moved past that point in history, mostly. But some people always seem to point to it and try to say it’s better. This is the people here.

Yes there is absolutely other ways to move stuff, no one is saying their isn’t, but are you prepared to pay $50 for coffee or to have nothing other than corn and corn byproducts to eat….? Because that’s the world without the benefit and efficiency of mass hauling on roads. And sure, use slaves to still deliver, because that’s the only way it’s affordable for you. It’s not how the worlds worked for a long ass time now. That’s all we are trying to get people like you to comprehend. If you support slaves so you can have your coffee, you’ve lost it.

Roads make things more affordable, when people are paid a living a wage instead of being in poverty or slaves, yes there is other ways to move stuff, but… yeah see above lmfao.

Do you think people would rather haul stuff out of the mountains on foot? Or just have a central place to drop it, they could probably haul out 5x as much in a single day. Instead of 2 baskets. Because one is only doable with roads. But sure, work that guy to the bone so you can have cheap coffee. It’s called the scale of economics, it’s been known for centuries at this point, but when you don’t need to pay….

he carrier brings mail and packages in a van, and parks it at the end of the block, and walks around the neighborhood.

So they do need roads!

the coffee shop doesn’t need road to get beans.

And just how much more do you think your $1 cup of coffee would be than…? It’s gonna be probably $30-50 dollars. Of course if you don’t think about costs or how it can directly affect you, you can argue whatever you want.

You don’t need a house to live in either now do you? Look past your nose before making asinine comments like this.

Considering coffee is only cheap because of slaved workers, you’re incredibly missing the point.

Coffee is only affordable because of mass transport, and that’s only after the slave work is done.

Uhh… you mean the slaves back than…? And the slaves they continue to use in the coffee trade…?

It’s only affordable because of the slaves, still is, pay everyone an liveable wage along the way, and that’s not happening.

Sure, shipping is easy when you don’t need to pay and the lives of people don’t matter. But hey, you get your coffee, cheap too!

By growing their own food since there wasn’t any supply routes….? Or you’re waiting months for something the next county over? What if it spoils on the way? Robbed? Weather takes it out?

You’re making stuff out to be way to simple of a thing, it’s not black and white. What if you want coffee? Options other than wheat.

My mail gets delivered by a guy walking

How many packages do you think the guy can carry at once? Every block as a box that the guy walks to and collects to deliver before moving onto the next. Do you think that they’ve walked all the way from the postal office to your house with your mail…? You can’t seriously think that do you?

How do you think those get supplied? Your coffee shop? How did they get the utilities in to provide everything to the block?

You just don’t understand distribution and concept of scale. The argument only falls flat if you ignore major points along the way, like how the mail gets to your guy that walks. Or how those shops get supplies for the food delivery trucks.

And instead of that, why not multi use high rises? The bottom floor has a coffee shop, grocery store, and other amenities, how would you supply those without a road…?

You gotta look past your own nose and see the entire picture dude.

How do you think your food and other needs gets to you, what do buses operate on? How does your mail get delivered.

You use roads.

I’ve got some I should probably get off the bush last week.

Other than blanching and freezing idk what to do, what’s the recipe you used? I’m not a huge fan of vinegar lately though.

If you’re buying your own equipment and gear, find a better company. A company is supposed to pay for any and all safety gear, and all equipment should be owned by the company.

The only thing a tradesperson should have to bring to a job is their tools.

When I started in construction 20 years ago minimum wage was $10, but most trades start at $15, this is for a laborer, apprentices got $18

After 4 years I was 33.50 an hour and still had room to move up. My direct supervisor was making $50, but he had a cash bonus to pay for his truck, instead of them giving him one.

Now minimum wage is $15 and most trades start at $21 and hour.

legally the company is supposed to pay apprentices 60% of the lowest paid journeyman, but they can hire people specifically to lower this -.- fourth years get 90%, it goes up each year. It forces a raise after finishing each schooling section.