Zagorath

Who said anything about racing? It costs a huge amount. Starting on a 10% grade hill is an enormous amount of energy compared to just keeping going as you were, and it puts you in significant danger as you do it.

No, it’s objectively bullshit. It’s been studied many times and the result always proves that carbrained nonsense to be bullshit.

Drivers break the law all the time. They run blatant reds. They fail to stop when safe to do so at a yellow. They speed. They ignore stop signs. They fail to give way to pedestrians. The pass cyclists too close. They fail to indicate correctly at roundabouts more often than they do it correctly.

The only difference is people are too carbrained to even notice these. Oh, and the reasons for it (cyclists tend to break the law for their own safety unlike car drivers who do it for convenience) and the consequences when they do (cyclists endanger nobody except occasionally themselves, drivers endanger everyone around them).

It looks like the cyclists are doing this on purpose to make a point or something.

Honestly if that’s the case, fair play to them. If it’s a ride for the sake of riding I agree, stocking to two abreast except when overtaking is what they should be doing. But if this is a mass rollout protest ride, with the aim being to get the council and state governments to build more dedicated bike infrastructure, fuck yeah you go guys.

Nah, you’re correct. Any time a study is done on this it finds that either drivers and cyclists break the law at similar rates, or drivers break it more.

There’s also the difference in why they do it. Drivers break the law out of convenience. Because it’s easier to do, or because it gets them where they’re going faster. Cyclists sometimes do that, but far more than drivers, they’re likely to do it because it’s safer. Because laws are often made for car drivers in ways that aren’t appropriate to cyclists, and so breaking the law is often safer. The classic example is treating stop signs as give way signs in places that haven’t implemented an Idaho Stop rule.

Sources:

• https://bicyclenetwork.com.au/newsroom/2019/05/23/drivers-break-more-road-rules-than-cyclists/
• https://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/08/06/bikers-drivers-break-law/
• https://www.unsw.edu.au/newsroom/news/2014/10/cyclists-break-road-rules-to-stay-safe

Cyclists don’t obey the rules of the road to the same rigor as a car

Bullshit

If I’m no a long climb going 10km/h with cars behind me I try to stop

Imma stop you right there. That’s not “being respectful”, it’s being a fucking pushover. The last thing you want to do while on a climb steep enough to drop you to 10 km/h is pull over and stop. Pull across to the side of there’s enough room for them to pass, sure, but keep that momentum at all costs.

That said, if this ride is on open roads, then road rules should be followed. Where I live that means two abreast (plus more if overtaking), but a blob that’s at least 5 wide in parts.

An ABC article from a couple of years ago found the best brands were Mitsubishi, Subaru, Toyota, and Isuzu. But that’s specific to the Australian market and a few years old now, so may not apply to your situation.

I was thinking Age of Empires.

Villager sentenced to building a forward castle without military protection.

Sorry but fuck that.

They lose deniability post paedophile incident. Musk was clearly projecting hard there, and his actions were inexcusable even if not.

Not to mention the SEC fraud that happened around the same time.

I really wish there wasn’t an 8 hour time difference. La Vuelta coverage starts at like 11 pm my time so I can hardly watch any. It sounds like it’s been an incredible race this year though.