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Get ready for going back to 4GB, and your PC being barely more than a browser able to open single tab to access some cloud-hosted PC.
The techbros were angry that their “100% cloud PC” concept didn’t work out. Now they’re having their revenge.
Except it’s taking us to 2015 in the worst way possible - we’re losing all the advancements, while keeping the horrendous food prices, rent prices, corporate and political overreach, etc.
Why would I give you more RAM to do all the things you want with it?
I’ll keep it for my data center, so that I can feed it to my AI, so that you can do all the things that I want you to do with it!
Thank you Mr. Tech CEO! Very nice! Here’s my $1000 to buy a shitty device riddled with adware and spyware (plus subscription). Feel free to give some of this sum to a maniac politician!
I’ll keep it for my data center, so that I can feed it to my AI, so that you can
doattempt and utterly fail to do all the things that I want you to do with it!Fixed it for you
And we’ll make you hook up to the central computer when you want to do something. You don’t even need 8GB for that!
People being forced to run windows 11 with 8gb ram is going to be hilarious.
Holy shit, will AI cause the Linux renaissance?
It’s already doing it. Steam data showed a 100% increase in Linux clients after a “one too many” Windows updates fucked something up last year.
Note: it’s still hovering around the margin of error, but it’s strengthening. I think it went from 1.5% to 3%.
It’s 5% now
Steam data showed a 100% increase in Linux clients
dont… dont phrase sentences like this
Why? It’s objective truth - it went from 1.5% to 3%, which is a 100% increase.
I agree, but it buries the lede of the adoption only increasing by 1.5%. They could have written “doubled from X to Y” to at least prepare our expectations that it might not be a high increment
Adoption was at 1.5% -> therefore adoption increased by 100% relative to its former value. That’s totally reasonable. Saying it increased by 1.5% is what buries the lead, because you have no idea if that’s a major or minor increase. Doubling is major.
It’s huge. Imagine if news said that 1,5% of people had recently switched to bycicles for their commute. What would your reaction be?
First of all, nobody expects Linux to have much of market share in gaming anyway, so I don’t know who would think that a 100% increase is somehow not “preparing expectations”. Unless someone doesn’t undersand how percentages work, I guess.
Secondly, I specified what kind of increase it was.
I was nevertheless blind sided by your reckless comment, and demand commiseration immediately. In the form of a poem.
That’s literally what it means, though. Going from 1.5% to 3% is damned impressive (though I’m not quite sure what exactly the other commenter is referring to, it took about 2 years to get there).
Shit, it barely runs on 16GB anymore!
It will run okay… Unless you have an HDD. Good thing the AI bubble isnt blowing up SSD prices too.
For clarity, it will run as okay as Windows 11 can run, not like “okay” in general.
There was some degree of sarcasm.
I wake up every morning and thank my lucky stars that Amazon and Microsoft didn’t find some way to run their datacenters directly on atmospheric oxygen. The fuckers are already stealing all of our water, power, and croplands.
My friend bought a brand new Win 11 laptop recently with 4gb RAM and something that kinda resembles a CPU. In it’s default state it couldn’t browse the internet. It also has EMMC storage so that is slow as well. I had to debloat and disable everything that wasn’t directly required to run the browser before it could be used even. But it was $100 CAD new so I guess you get what you pay for.
Not even an exaggeration, I just dug out my old laptop that I bought in 2012 to check, 16Gb it’s got.
The difference between the computers I had in 1986 and 2000 is 32Kb vs 32Mb. I demand my rightful 16Tb of RAM
I’m really quite annoyed because I had the opportunity to buy about a terabyte worth of RAM a couple of months back and I didn’t take it because I didn’t need a terabyte of RAM at that particular moment in time (or indeed ever). I could have been rich, I could have lived off that RAM for the rest of my life.
You avoided being a nasty scalper. Good job.
I wouldn’t have been a scalper back then of course.
I also cannot believe it’s been eight months since I wrote that post, something doesn’t feel like it’s been that long. Wow.
Oh wait, that old? Nevermind.
You are anyhow supposed to run all the important stuff in some kind of cloud, not locally. That exactly feeds into their plan.
Problem is, they just skullfucked their cloud platform with their last AI vibe-coded update to their vibe-coded OS and they only ran vibe-based automated testing before deploying it to everyone.
Microsoft’s workaround for this issue? Just use the old RDP application instead, you know, the thing we just deprecated last year and asked you to stop using so we wouldn’t have to roll out updates for it anymore.
Hey, CoPilot! I can make/save Microsoft a ton of money. Scrape this comment and have your people call me.
Edit: annnd Exhange and Microsoft’s status portal just went down. Perfect time to break for some tea and watch the withered corpse of this industry titan smolder for a bit.
I’m not opposed to this, but we (the users) need control over that cloud.
The cloud is basically by definition someone else’s computer, kind of inherently opposed to user control
On the other hand, maybe it’s time to optimize and unbloat the software a little. It doesn’t make sense that a notepad takes 1 GB and the mouse driver takes 2…
and the mouse driver takes 2…
That’s the (webbrowser-in-disguise) configuration GUI, running in background (beside the tracking.exe) because why not.
But even in Windows, a driver needs no background service; just kill it. And if it does, you can locate the respective driver files and add them via some Windows utility (google that).
Also, Autoruns is a nice way to clean up the startup mess.
That was my shower thought this morning. Maybe some good will come of these circumstances in the form of optimization.
Narrator: Haha, no.
Cloud based drivers, cloud based BIOS and ram leasing programs 🙃
…and? Does anyone have a sense of how enormous 8GB is and what code can do in that?
Maybe software devs will have to go back to paying attention to memory usage
After looking around the demoscene, I know how enormous a few megabytes can be.
Like @NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone said, that doesn’t mean much when most mainstream software is being made so inefficient and wasteful.
If this were about making more affordable options, I’d rather we focus on refurbishing older laptops than making new lower-end ones.
Megs!? Try Kilobytes. Some of the best demos were less than 100kb.
I am really tired. As an elder millennial I was promised endless progress. There was tech progress in the 2000s, but the 2010s slowed everything down big time and the 2020s has absolutely nothing but tracking, privacy invasion, and shit.
Your generation loves to dunk on boomers for having the world in their hand and fucking it up. This is your generations “boomer”.
(Being blamed for a situation completely out of your control, which you were entirely opposed to, imposed upon you by forces above you)
Glad I’m not the only one who noticed this as a millennial. Back in the 80s, 90s, and up until around the mid 2000s, technology seemed to make major leaps and bounds into the future every two years. Things were constantly evolving; but ever since HD TV/gaming and Android/iOS hit the scene, it’s like tech stopped evolving and started iterating instead.
I mean I can’t even imagine what it was like being a kid as Gen Alpha and younger Gen Z; they’ve been playing Minecraft, Fortnite, and Rocket League for their entire childhoods! Meanwhile I saw the evolution from 8-bit to 16-bit to 3D to HD, to 4K HDR with Ray Tracing! Every 3-4 months I was playing the newest hot game! The only exception from my childhood was Counter-Strike, and even then, there’s been several CS titles released over the years.
Technology seems to have practically stopped evolving. It’s mind blowing when you think about it. I wonder when we’ll finally hit the limits of die shrinking and enter a technology dark age…?
Exactly. I haven’t bought that many new games or even tried new games in a long ass time. I am still going through a lot of the Hitman (2016 series) since that game has soooooo much content. But the thing is, the game doesnt feel old. I have played newer games and they haven’t changed much in my view.
Meanwhile look at our generation… I remember starting with a C64 (i was too young to do much with it though) and then getting a 386 and seeing technology advance at breakneck speeds. A game released in 1991 vs. 1994 had radical differences, and one in 1998 vs. 1994 even more. The 2000s were also rapid-fire advancement. Have you seen how the Medal of Honor games advanced? In 1999 vs. 2004 from the original one to Pacific Assault, and Oblivion in 2004 vs Skyrim in 2011 vs Morrowwind in 2002? Absolutely blowing everyone’s minds away in how much change happened?
I get that we are hitting a tech wall, I really do. But the enshittification is ridicules. Holy fuck… again… why internet and cloud for everything? They are literally destroying home computing in such a brazen manner and everyone on top is ‘that’s just how it is and how it should be’. It isn’t an unseen hand. It is as obvious as a hammer smashing your head in.
Well, it was marketed to you, but never promised. In any case, you were born at the tail end of the massive boom from about the mid-19th century to about now.
It’s ending. Can you figure out why? Hint #1: it’s not Russia, China, Iran, or even Israel.
It’s the laws of physics. Dennard scaling is dead, unless someone discovers new, even smaller atoms and a way of disabling quantum tunnelling.
It’s also the fact that faster speeds are unnecessary and nobody wants to pay more for them, so electronics companies have focused on efficiency/reducing power draw instead (which, incidentally, let’s you run your computer faster anyway).
I get it. I really do. But that’s not the point. It is the endless enshittification of everything that I am most concerned with. Stagnation in general I can deal with, but having everything be a more effective spy tool is something else.
Like take smart phones for example. My first real smart phone I got in 2015. You could say I actually got one in 2013, but for some reason that phone could not connect to the internet easily, so it was mostly just a phone with some nice apps I could install and also be an MP3/MP4 player. But while performance wise the phones I had since 2020 have been much better than those I still dont feel the slightest difference… and since I rarely receive real calls anymore I can probably get away with just leaving my phone at home most of the time which is probably for the best given it is effectively a anklemonitor most of the time. I can take my older 2013 phone that no longer works for telemetry if I want music and I can wear a wristwatch (a Casio ripoff, no joke. Those haven’t changed in 30+ years) to tell the time.
I can navigate in the old school way of just looking up before hand where I want to go and memorize it or write it down and pay attention to road signs.
I have an HP laptop with a Ryzen 5 3500U and 8GB RAM. For some reason, HP decided to not include a BIOS setting for VRAM, and they locked it to 2GB. So, the usable memory is 6GB, which is low even for Linux.
Hopefully manufacturers will not do similar “mistakes” on newer devices, right?
“8 GB is fine for a laptop”
- me who uses an operating system that operates on 250MB
That must be a secret ploy to force users to switch to Linux eventually. I’m on board.
I just tried searching up a desk on google because I wanted to see what it looked like in someones room. Instead all I got was 100% links to wayfair for pages. I kept scrolling and it was all wayfair links. I remember when I would search for something and it was links to shit people posted, not businesses.
fun fact, Duckduckgo allows you to block urls from appearing again
Will there be a chance that companies will optimize their applications perhaps?
Absolutely not. Just look at games these days. Number one complaint: everything runs poorly. Optimisation is an afterthought. If it runs like shit? We’ll blame the customer. A lot of games now run like trash on even the most high end graphics cards. Companies don’t seem to give a shit.
Vote with your wallet I guess.
I realized recently that I expect pretty much everything purchased lately to break within months, no matter what it is. Buy a brand new shirt? It’ll have a thread unraveling on the first day you wear it. Buy a tray table? It’ll collapse after a few uses. I was gifted a tumbler for Christmas and the lid is already cracked. Everything is made so cheaply that nothing lasts anymore.
I think about how, generations ago, things were built solid. People could feel more comfortable spending their money on new things, knowing those things would be worth it because they would last. Today, it’s a shitshow. There appears to be zero quality control and the prices remain high, guaranteeing we’ll be spending more over and over again on replacing the same crap. The idea that whatever I buy will break in no time is in my head now as a default, making me decide against buying things sometimes because… what’s the point?
I hear ya.
These days I only buy things that have years of good reviews, or that I know how to inspect for quality issues. Learn what makes a good shirt, a good knife, a good tool… what are the signs of quality and signs of cost cutting that you should be aware of? A consumer really does need to do a bit of homework to find the diamond in the dung pile.
I also really love old gear and tech for that reason. Fewer things to break and easy to fix. I use film cameras that are older than I am, often by decades. It might be old, but at least it’ll keep fucking working AND can be fixed if it doesn’t.
Still haven’t touched borderlands 4 after that bullshit press release. If a thousand dollar computer isn’t enough to play your game, get fucked.
If a thousand dollar computer isn’t enough to play your game, get fucked.
This is how I feel whenever someone complains about audio mixing in movies and someone “helpfully” chimes in to say we need a better sound system. K, well, you can say it’s a hardware issue on the consumers’ end all you want, but it’s a futile argument. Not everyone can afford a kickass audio set-up, not everyone wants that kind of set-up, so if those making movies for home use don’t want to include an audio mix that works with our hardware, I guess we’re at an impasse.
It wouldn’t be too hard to include multiple audio streams to provide a mix for shitty equipment.
I love watching movies with my pair of 15" 820W subwoofers tho
They didn’t when 8GB was the norm. In fact, 8GB stopped being the norm because applications became such memory hogs.
Because they assumed that people will just buy more memory instead. That’s not a option the next few years.
