Programming?
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Woke.
I’m Antigramming like a true Patriot.
Using arabic numerals to code? I thought this was merica!!!
Wasn’t even the wildest. Before compsci I was doing mechanical engineering.
We had an assignment to design a railcar layout for transporting livestock. It gave the minimal parameters for the animals, established client driven acceptable losses for the livestock, etc…
We all cracked away at it. After we handed them all in, the profs were like “nowhere in the spec was the actual animals named, was no one curious?”
Silence.
They had given us a literal Nazi RFP discovered post WWII. It was for moving people to fucking concentration camps.
“You’re smart people. People are going to ask you to do bad things. They’re going to try and hide thier intentions. Don’t collaborate with Nazis. Don’t ever use what I teach you to hurt people.”
Those sound like bad-ass professors!
I would love to have a copy of this assignment! That reveal must have been a real gutpunch. Something that may have actually stuck with most students.
maybe post the notes for critique? this is bait
It’s not even that “hardcore” of ideology honestly. It depends a lot on the lens you view it through your society. If it’s far right, then saying “water is a human right!” is going to seem extreme leftism.
Not sure what the discussion was, but, I recall they changed terms like Master/slave a few years back (maybe in the linux kernel), to make things nicer. I have no problem with this (not a big deal).
I think changing “slave” is a good idea, but “master” isn’t a problematic term; however I still prefer main because it makes more sense to me and it’s already a common programming term.
All that being said, we clearly should’ve changed it to “The Mistress branch” instead.
IDE drives
I wouldn’t want to be a CS teacher at this decade, more than half the code will be AI generated. Would just suck the life force out of you seeing how little students care about actually learning the stuff.
Would have saved us a lot of trouble if it had been this whole damn while.
What is the saying? Something about people who learn about how technology works begin to shun technology?
This may shock you, but if you think like this, you might be a hardcore leftist.
Also, I’m reminded of the Ghostbusters (1984) quote:
Dr. Raymond Stantz: Personally, I liked the university. They gave us money and facilities, we didn’t have to produce anything! You’ve never been out of college! You don’t know what it’s like out there! I’ve WORKED in the private sector. They expect results.
The quote is the least believable thing in this move about ghost blowjobs
Yup. I’ve been in academia and in private business. Academia pays terribly and expects a fuck-ton more work. I’m sure there’s places where you can just sleaze by without doing much, but I never saw them. (Which isn’t to say that all academic work is good work. I saw people who got far doing poor research, but they were also working very hard at it.)
Strange how I’m the polar opposite of a leftist and seem to excel at my programming job of 7 years when I was all entirely self-taught in the years leading up to it
It’s almost like programming syntax and structure for every popular language in the world has absolutely nothing to do with politics but you all want to pretend otherwise, how interesting!
I guess we simply can’t teach the basics of array indexing within a for loop without mentioning how evil it is to vote for Donald Trump midway through… oh wait yea we can we just choose not to and pretend it’s not possible XD
Be sure to read through an entire novel on x86 intel assembly and let me know what political stance the language has, the countless MOV inputs within the source code for all NES games is rooted in leftist ideology surely
Clown world to the extreme, I cannot comprehend programming being remotely linked to politics outside of purposely naming your variables certain ways intentionally, what’s next will walking a dog be political in 2030? Better not own a white fur dog guys
I’m the polar opposite of a leftist
A nazi?
You don’t need to go all the way to poles to find Nazis on the right in {current year}
Yeah everyone who disagrees with you extremists and forms their own unique personal opinions based on the facts of reality is a nazi ofc
Then you all sit around confused wondering why this platform isn’t taken serious by literally anyone outside of it
“Hrmmm well 99% of people on the planet must simply be evil nazis unlike us!” Yeah surely bro surely, it’s those who are the crazy ones for sure!
I just stumbled into this discussion, but it seems to me like you were the one to introduce extremism when you took an ideology and called yourself the “polar opposite” of it.
Legit this behaviour right here is why everyone normal and sane within our entire world on every other mainstream platform full of average people with normal morals and values views you extremists as clowns by default fyi
You’ve swung that label around to the point where it means nothing at all, no actual points no nothing just ‘oh you disagree so you’re a nazi lawlz!’ and this community is so deep within this fantasy that you all hold hands, agree and upvote each other by default no matter how utterly ridiculous you look
Now feel free to downvote me to -50 now as an emotional response as if it’ll change this truth of this
“AGREE WITH ME OR YOU’RE EVIL BECAUSE… BECAUSE… BECAUSE YOU JUST ARE, OKAY??!?” - You
Legit this behaviour right here is why everyone normal and sane within our entire world on every other mainstream platform full of average people with normal morals and values views you extremists as clowns by default fyi
See and I thought Lemmy was too obscure for the average person. We’re growing
*Nice sneak edit lmao
See and I thought Lemmy was too obscure for the average person.
Can’t imagine why
Imagine having a meltdown because you got asked if you were a Nazi, the exact opposite of the extremist “Antifascists”.
Imagine having a meltdown
Does it ever get boring projecting fake fantasies 24/7, defeating said strawman, and attempting to declare victory over having done so
Congrats on a counter-argument that addresses zero of my points - naturally you’ll never acknowledge what I actually said since you cannot argue against it
So you’ll just rummage through for anything else to say, “hurr durr nice meltdown bro lol!” to avoid responding properly, peak emotional lemmy logic
Be sure to try that in a live debate one day; it’ll go really well for you, I promise
Not posting is a free action.
But, for funsies, what else is the exact opposite of a leftist?
Ok
Oh I just typed the perfect reply to someone else which also fits you perfectly, huh how strange almost like you all act the same on here running on pure emotion!
Here’s what my previous reply to them 3 minutes ago literally just said:
Congrats on a counter-argument that addresses zero of my points - naturally you’ll never acknowledge what I actually said since you cannot argue against it
So you’ll just rummage through for anything else to say, “hurr durr nice meltdown bro lol!” to avoid responding properly, peak emotional lemmy logic
Be sure to try that in a live debate one day; it’ll go really well for you, I promise
How fitting for you as well! Imagine initiating a conversation with someone only to then run away when they reply back with something you cannot handle LOL
Quick keep up your act so you can pretend you’re just trolling! Reply back with “Ok” again like a literal child arguing, SUCH a good look for you all on here to immediately shutdown when confronted with reality!
hurr durr nice meltdown bro lol!
Low IQ specimen incapable of debating like an adult
Types drivel when unsure of how to respond, literal child argument tactic “haha I was just trolling!”
Real mature behaviour, you sure “won” this argument vs me alright! This chain was a GREAT look for you!
Now hold this block for me real quick, looks like I get the last reply aw nuu by your own logic I guess that means I win now, poor you :(
haha I was just trolling!
I mean, there’s plenty of things that can be considered left-leaning about it, but they all pretty much surround the culture of programming work. I would tend to agree that there’s nothing inherently leftist about programming in general, but I could see how they may feel about it when discussing open source software, AI, and how progressive the general demographics of college educated programmers would tend to be.
That said, your response is a little… much.
It’s fine they’ll all downvote me without being able to respond, it’s the classic low IQ lemmy special, puts the Leddit hivemind to shame
how progressive the general demographics of college educated programmers would tend to be.
I assure you this foundation is laid well before they reach the age of specializing into programming, it’s why there’s such a gigantic disparity from self-taught programmers (which none of these lemmings can grasp ofc)
Open-source software is a valid point though, I’ve already seen that first-hand from the Loonatix lmao can confirm
your response is a little… much.
Just look at how they act to me, I have no respect for these emotional losers who throw meltdowns over the truth they ‘don’t like hearing’ and exaggerate literal fantasy nonsense in an attempt to screech back as if it’s a valid counter-argument, normal responses like your own are the rarity on this website
You do you but I’ll be gone from this place in no time, what’s the point in involving yourself with such a clueless emotional baby community like this website houses, pure emotion > logic on here which they reward each other for acting like purely since they subjectively agree XD
Couldn’t have been an easier thing to refute and yet you still fumbled it with the whiney victim card.
Couldn’t have been an easier thing to refute and yet you still fumbled it with the whiney victim card.
You say, as you yourself appear incapable of refuting anything I’ve said - curious!
Love getting endless responses by emotional people upset enough to reply yet not one of them makes any point against anything I’ve actually said, very intelligent people on here
Click the down arrow quick just click it and run without any proper response (since you all can’t give one ofc), emotional lemmingz malding at the truth, what else is new hold hands and pretend fantasy is reality together quick!!!
“What a jester this comrade is. Computers don’t know politics, stupid. How could they think that there’s any ‘leftism’ [🤮] when I, a proud and open chud, am paid money by some rich guy to make computers at the computer store (that I franchise from him as his self-taught business apparentice 😎).”
Y’know I remember ten years ago we had guys like you who thought it was stupid to unionize compsci work or form some guild that could enforce minimum protections. Wonder how they’re doing these days.
Great argument pal, you’ve really convinced me that it’s impossible to teach people what an if else statement is without preaching how evil people are who don’t believe in extremist leftist political nonsense
Oh wait no you haven’t you’re just babbling irrelevant nonsense that has nothing to do with this at all, banger!
Oh, you must have misunderstood. They’re not doing well, those people got fired in subsequent waves as their skills became less valuable and there was nothing stopping mass firings. Should have made that more clear for the lawnmower man.
NES x86
Be quiet dumb nazi.
HURR NAZI HURR DURR EVERYONE NOT AN EXTREME LEFTIST IS A NAZI HURR DURR I HAVE NO POINTS BUT UR NAZI CUZ U JUST ARE HURRRR UPVOTE ME FRIENDS FOR CALLING EVIL NON-LEFTIST OUR FAVOURITE HOT NAZI WORD MY EXTREMIST LEMMY BRETHREN HURRRRRRR -You
It’s fine, you are the normal ones for thinking like this ofc ;) my "if Highly_emotional_monkey_brain_response == high_IQ, print(“he’s so smart”); resulted in FALSE I’m afraid
No points you can actually give ofc, “ur evil nazi man cuz u just are”, nice brain
It’s been four hours I’m checking in to see at what point you realized that all of these people are messing with you.
The absolute worst thing about how STEM is taught in my country is how entirely devoid curriculums are from critical theory. You take inputs, outputs, energies and production as-is, and you get a crop of drones who think such discussions are irrelevant. Then they graduate, start working and earning good money – and suddenly they support capitalist production structures because they’re “rational” and “objective”. Some then become the biggest chuds ever known to man.
I remember that I discussed gentrification with a civil engineer who happened to be my boss, a very renowned and talented person in our branch. He didn’t know what gentrification was…
civil engineer […] didn’t know what gentrification was…
Sweet jebus on ice-skates. The guy was potentially a literal if not figurative architect in service of one of the most profound mechanisms of gentrification and hadn’t heard of it?! That’s like designing cars and being unaware of traffic jams and induced demand.
What do you mean with critical theory?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory
There are different forms but it’s basically getting woke to class struggle between people who own shit and rent it out and people who get paid a bit to use the shit, but never actually get to own real shit or control what shit they decide to do.
I’m putting it pretty bluntly and pretty woke…ly, and a lil but Marxly. It’s also about analyzing systems we use to organise ourselves and what they do to us. Basically how to get people to actually wake up to how and why things are how they are and maybe how they could be different / better.
In the context of STEM students who focus on inputs, outputs, and engines at the expense of considering societal impacts (or simply telling themselves it’s the job of poor humanities students to get elected and pass laws to constrain the most egregious negative externalities of technology) it’s asking who an efficiency is for. Efficiency cannot exist in a moral vacuum. As Kim Stanley Robinson summarized in The Ministry for the Future (2020):
… there is good efficiency and bad efficiency, good inefficiency and bad inefficiency. … preventative health care saves enormous amounts in medical costs later, and is a good efficiency. Eating your extra children (this is Swift’s character’s “modest proposal”) would be a bad efficiency. Any harm to people for profit is likewise bad, no matter how efficient. Using an over-sized vehicle to get from point A to point B is a bad inefficiency, and there are many more like it; but oxbows in a river, defining a large flood plain, is a good inefficiency
Isn’t it funny how people who “have things” are less likely to be all that interested in leftism. And those who don’t have “things” look at them, want more leftism because they want want the “things” the people who have “things” and they don’t have.
And neither side understands the other.
Leftists aren’t jealous of rich people. Slanderous and incorrect
I just want to be able to live life as carefree as they can without regards to money. It’s a bit of jealousy but it’s not the overriding reason for it.
I have plenty of things, and still support pretty left wing ideas (except for the violence that some people here seem think is required to be considered left).
What do you want to say, exactly?
That leftism is a product of ressentiment from people who don’t have “things” against people who have “things”, I guess. ContraPoints-level take tbh.
I hate billionaires, not because I want to be a miserable sociopath with too much money, but because they are largely the reason that any kind of improvement to our planet and species is being blocked. I support socialized healthcare, not because I envy those who have the money to pay for life-saving healthcare, but because I don’t want to fucking die, etc. etc.
There certainly are people like BadEmpanada, who oppose unions and welfare so that “first-worlders can suffer”, but they definitely don’t reflect what leftism is in general.
BE
BE on twitter and BE while actually speaking seriously are like two different people. He seems to have an unhealthy addiction to creating twitter ragebate. I would not take it literally.
I agree, and I’d add it’s not even a specifically left wing impulse either. The Roman Republic of all institutions was deeply concerned with the idea that republics shouldn’t have private princes as well as kings. The fact the Roman Republic failed to contain its oligarchy to the point of fundamental destabilisation into arbitrary power is evidence people ought to pay attention to left wingers when they say the same thing about billionaires and the concentration of wealth.
I understood that tbh. I just wanted the person to say it in their own words…
They don’t understand either side.
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That’s a different person you’re replying to
That’s embarrassing … 🤓
I missed it
Ayn Rand has entered the chat.
Isn’t it funny how people who “have food” are less likely to be all that interested in leftism. And those who don’t have “food” look at them, want more leftism because they want want the “food” the people who have “food” and they don’t have.
It’s still garbled, but makes a better point.
Your edit makes a good insinuation “they’re just things” people think objects are frivolous things that tie you down because they’ve never experienced genuine lack.
Not like lack of toys, but the bear necessities of survival.
The basic necessities should just be provided, by that I mean food and shelter and basic medical care. If people want to live luxuriously that’s fantatic, going and toiling, innovating or improving their situation in someway should be encouraged; but no one should ever be shelterless and hungry.
What do you mean?
I have more things than I could ever want.
I want more agency.
Republicans have never forgiven Alan Turing, and much prefer the contributions of IBM during the same period.
I feel like this isn’t super new. You haven’t been able to do things like talk academically about network security or cryptography without being incredibly critical of government for decades.
My professors sure were. I felt really bad for them, honestly. They were the driving force to make philosophy and ethics courses mandatory at my university in order to recieve a comp sci degree.
“If you work in these areas long enough, at a high enough level, you WILL be asked to compromise something for the benefit of a state actor, and you might not even realize it’s happening. The person asking you to do it might not even realize what is really happening.” Was what our prof told a packed lecture hall.
This is pretty much my inspiration for self hosting. A three letter agency needs to infiltrate my network or show up to my house with a warrant. I’m not going to be able to stop them, but at least they’ll have to work for it. I’d love a CSI Miami’s episode level of effort for them to discover that I’m just a fucking nerd sharing Linux ISOs.
This made me image an exchange like
Agent 1: OK McNulty, you have finished your forensic scan of that scumbag’s computer. I can’t wait to hear whether we are taking this monster down for espionage, stealing classified information, or even just another copyright infringement case. What is really in that folder of “Linux ISOs?”
Agent 2: You are not gonna believe this…
When I was at Uni, we had a mandatory Ethics class for Comp Sci/Comp Eng. I think it was for all majors under the Sciences banner.
I want to hear that lecture!
It’s an introduction class, just start with history of computers and shift to programming from there.
You know, the history of computers, the Alan Turing, and the first assembly language, and the first software engineer, and “the entire pre-1992 internet.”
Even just the facts are incredibly “woke” leaning unless you just boil everything down to a single sentence factoid and dont go into much detail
That’s basically everything, though.
Reminds me of creationist textbooks trying to teach about electricity.
Pretty sure anyone who’s ever grabbed a live wire has felt electricity. I guess you could argue you’re still only feeling what it does, but that’s like arguing you only feel what a punch in the face does…
What kind of an ego do you have to have to think you know everything about science, so you write a textbook, and when you get to electricity, you don’t know anything about it, but since you know everything about everything, if you don’t know anything about electricity, that means nobody else does, either?
I dunno, but that was my textbook growing up. College was fun.
Home schooling for the lose.
Sweet baby Jesus
That’s the problem, they can believe in Jesus, but not electricity.
If that’s real I assume it’s less that they don’t believe in electricity or even that they don’t understand it. Probably more “portray difficult concepts as magical so that the idea of blind faith isn’t so difficult to digest” kind of intellectual dishonesty
That’s if it’s real though and not a nonsense meme to generate outrage. Highly sus that a book title isn’t mentioned
The book title is mentioned in the meme. It’s Science 4 for Christian Schools. I got it from Anna and that page is in there.
