• Tanis Nikana@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Yeah, no, when someone’s secluded, they’re often put in an empty room without so much as a window, and given literally nothing to do, but sit there. Can’t even have a phone out. It’d drive me mad enough to quit, and the same is true of lots of people.

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      2 months ago

      It’d drive me mad enough to quit, and the same is true of lots of people.

      So you’re saying it works.

    • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      In Japan, thats the whole point. The business will do this to make you quit instead of them firing you. They have whack employment laws.

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        2 months ago

        Sounds good in a way because you can take as long as you like applying for other jobs without losing your current income.

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      2 months ago

      This would be considered power harassment in Japan and you can sue for it. Companies try to do it anyways though.

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      2 months ago

      Not legal in countries where you cant outright fire people. You have to get them tasks. No phone out wouldnt be enforceable unless they sit you in a bunker with no connection.

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        2 months ago

        Is it? It’s your boss’ duty to provide you with work and they cannot dock your pay (outside of special circumstances) if they don’t have work for you, but they can absolutely pay you to sit around and drink coffee in case work comes around.

        • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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          2 months ago

          I believe what they’re saying is you can’t use work assignment to pressure someone to quit as a way around labor protections.

          As with a lot of legal stuff, the intent matters.

          • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
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            2 months ago

            People gotta remember that Japan isn’t USA or Europe when it comes to worker rights, or most rights, really, and that justice in each country can vary wildly

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              Way are you telling me that Japan has worse worker rights than USA?? that’s wild, how the fuck can you fuck up more than the US of A

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                2 months ago

                Way are you telling me that Japan has worse worker rights than USA

                I did not say nor implied that. I said that people should not expect worker rights, or any rights, to be universal among countries, much less the whole judicial process and its consequences.

                Whether Japanese worker rights are better or worse than USA/EU, I do not know.

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                2 months ago

                All I know are black companies where staff dies from exhaustion lol.

                On the other hand company cannot fire you easily and they do have special rooms for workers they wanna let go, with menial and useless jobs assigned to basically force you into quitting.

                Also quitting is so socially frowned upon that people hire other people to handle that for them.

            • atro_city@fedia.io
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              2 months ago

              I should never fight for my rights. I might be perceived as somebody who fights for my rights.

                • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  2 months ago

                  No, you prefer to be “realist.” Others have the will to fight. Any attempt to get others to conform to your lack of fight for workers rights is class sabotage.

                  Don’t be one of those wage slaves telling others not to fight for freedom because it’s illegal and the beatings aren’t that bad anyway.

                  • Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world
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                    2 months ago

                    I live in a country with much better worker’s rights then Japan or the US. I’ve gone through disputes with employers. I can tell you that it’s rarely worth the battle. And if you do “win” you wouldn’t want to work at that place any longer. If it’s about something that could pay out big, it’s usually better for your mental health to have left that place a long time ago.

                    Being realistic is knowing when it’s better to move on and find a better job. Sticking around just so you can “win” a legal battle will just make your life miserable.