• Walters, Fern@bookwyr.me
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    20 days ago

    wait until you find out 🏳️‍⚧️ on 🏳️‍⚧️🥾
    So easy to oppress the most vulnerable, as a vulnerable person. Harder to punch up.

  • Tattorack@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    20 days ago

    This is about how “culture war” is used as a distraction from class divides, right?

    … Right?

  • Tango@piefed.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    20 days ago

    I hate to be all “fragile masculinity”, but this comic seems to imply that men are somehow profiting from the situation and I really don’t think we are. Probably not what the artist intended to imply, but I figured I’d mention how it comes across.

    • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      20 days ago

      What’s missing is the “camera” panning down to show that road is made of poor men, but that fits because many of them are functionally invisible.

        • Omnipitaph@reddthat.com
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          19 days ago

          Its only in the last 50 years that women have been able to serve in wars. Its only in the last 50 years that most women have been able to find employment in the same spheres as men.

          Yet, most soldiers are men. Yet in every hard labor industry the majority of employees are men. Most homicide victims are men. Most suicides are men.

          Now, I will admit that I was tutored under the patriarchy and there may be a discrepancy in my learning. However, it is no difficulty to cite my sources.

          suicides by sex

          military by sex

          Jobs by sex

          homicides by sex

          My point is that women have undoubtedly contributed MASSIVELY to human innovation, and have suffered under patriarchal social systems, but by no means is it that the road of capitalism is paved with the bodies of women.

          • velma@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            19 days ago

            Women have physically labored for much of human history. Their efforts haven’t been as recognized as much by historians as men’s efforts have.

            That’s not to take away from how men have contributed, mind you. But to say that the road to capitalism is not paved with the bodies of women is false.

            • Omnipitaph@reddthat.com
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              19 days ago

              I completely agree that women have physically labored for much of human history, and also have contributed in equal measure to much of the advances we now take for granted. My comment was not to diminish the suffrage of women under unjust and unequal systems, but to highlight that the majority of fatalities under capitalism are men.

              Women 100% suffer under capitalism, there is no argument there, and yes their are definitely women in the brick and mortal of the road. The points I made and the sources I linked are specifically in context to the comment saying, “The road is made out of women more than men”. If it is not an equal mix, the statistics I have access to would say that men make up the majority of fatalities under capitalism.

              • velma@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                19 days ago

                You are absolutely diminishing women’s contributions and also positioning them as less enslaved by capitalism than men.

                There are many, many ways that capitalism claims lives that aren’t from war or construction.

                • Omnipitaph@reddthat.com
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  19 days ago

                  Alright, while I don’t see how I’m diminishing women’s contributions that doesn’t mean that it is not true. You’ve made your statement, but the burden of building your argument and coming out on the other end supporting that claim is on you.

                  I’ve cited sources to build my argument, I would expect equal labor if this is to be a conversation build on mutual respect.

                  Please attack the pieces of my argument that diminish women’s contributions under capitalism.

  • Dr_pepper_spray@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    20 days ago

    Hey guys! I upvoted this one because I thought it was funny enough, but because I dared piss on The Queen’s comic earlier I’m unfortunately been labeled a Nazi now… I’ll add it to the list of slurs I’ve been called in life.

  • gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    0
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    19 days ago

    i mean that seems entirely like you do not have the same goals. you want the 3rd person (the man) to work, while the other woman (cis woman) wants to retain her workplace by pushing out competition. the workplace being “to be a woman in society”. a societal role is kinda like a workplace. and since transfem women are such efficient competition (many transfems i know are just outright more attractive than cis women, which i suspect is because they know what looks good from a male perspective?) the other woman is especially worried about being out-competed.