I replied to someone saying that the USSR defeated the Nazis saying that it was a group effort. Got into an argument and called a Nazi repeatedly because “I was mad that the USSR defeated the Nazis and hated them for it” which is ridiculous. This isn’t the first time that’s happened on Lemmy. What’s up with that?
Then Let’s talk about the Soviet contribution to the Pacific theater. Or does that not count because it isn’t eurocentric?
they declared war on japan in 1945 as agreed in yalta; destroyed the kwantung army in manchuria in under a fortnight and were instrumental in forcing the japanese surrender as they lost all hope of a land defense. the kwantung was the primary reserve force for that planned defense.
Somewhere between 21,000 and 83,000 Japanese losses to Soviet forces compared to compared to 1.2-1.5 million lost to US forces.
Who came in at the last minute there? 🤔
And that’s ignoring the contributions from other allied nations in that theater.
Sounds like a group effort, huh?
i mean they were still fighting against a war of extermination at the time.
yeah in order of participation against japan it was China, then the US, then the USSR
which is why it’s a little silly when people say the US hasn’t won a war since WWII; it was junior partner in that group effort.
That might be true if China wasn’t completely railroaded by Japan.
same argument as for the USSR; i don’t see how them fighting against a war of extermination makes them killing more japanese than the US less significant.
But they killed significantly less Japanese than the US did.
i feel like you misread my statement. i meant same argument as to why the USSR taking enormous casualties doesn’t diminish their war effort.
I’ll admit I don’t know as much about the Chinese war effort, but it shouldn’t be controversial to criticize the Soviet strategy when it was literally “throw as many bodies at the problem as possible”, which it factually was. It also ignores the fact that they were allied with Germany until Germany double-crossed them and had Germany not double-crossed them there’s a good chance they would have remained on that side. This is after the Nazis purged the Socialists and Communists in Germany after using them to win control in the first place. So forgive me for not sucking Stalin’s dick and taking pity on the USSR for catching fleas from the dogs they went to bed with.
This is not an anti-communism or anti-socialism rant. This is an anti-short sighted opportunist rant.
The USSR played a major role in the war once they joined the allies and I’m grateful for it, but ignoring everything before the German invasion of the USSR is silly and you know it.
The way the Nazis treated Soviet POWs and civilians was abhorrent, but to act like the USSR didn’t commit their share of war crimes is just as silly whether you think you can justify it or not. Not to mention how things turned out post-war for many Soviet satellites and Warsaw-Pact countries.