Green leader in England and Wales calls ‘debates about words’ unhelpful and denies recent motion was controversial

I broadly agree with Zack Polanski here. I’m glad he’s taken a stance.

I’m not sure about “no state has the right to exist”, but whatever.

  • just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    25·
    24 hours ago

    For pretty much the entireity of our existence, we didn’t have borders. The modren notion of borders is intrinsically linked with the nation state.

    And you are conflating borders with boundaries in your later sentence.

    • some_random_nick@lemmy.worldEnglish
      124·
      23 hours ago

      Disagreed. Animals have teritories, which are essentially borders. We just evolved the means to make them somewhat permanent.
      Doesn’t mean we have to keep it that way for the rest of our existance as a species.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
        151·
        16 hours ago

        I can’t decide whether or not you actually believe that or you’re just being pseudo intellectual for the bit.

        In nature animals have territories but it’s extremely common for those two shift and flow with the seasons.

        But also animals don’t have internal plumbing or electricity yet we have those things, so I don’t really see why “what animals do” as being particularly relevant.

        • some_random_nick@lemmy.worldEnglish
          25·
          10 hours ago

          OP stated:

          For pretty much the entireity of our existence, we didn’t have borders. […]

          Please point me towards a part of our existance where we didn’t have any types of borders. I deliberatly went all the way back to our beginnings as a species to point out that even then borders existed in some form.

          As for the “shift and flow” part, I clearly stated:

          […] We just evolved the means to make them somewhat permanent. […]

          So, what exaclty is there pseudo-intellectual in my statement?

          Edit: Here is a source to back up my claims.
          Alexander C. Diener, Joshua Hagen. Borders: a very short inteoduction (2012), page 19, bottom half:

          The earliest humans lived within small bands of nomadic foragers, know as hunter-gatherers. Migrations of these groups were generally patterned by changing seasons and enviromental conditions that affected the availability of food and other resources. Given their nomadic way of life, one might assume these early peoples lacked notiins of borders, territoriality, or land ownership. Yet research on contemporary hunter-gathere groups strongly suggests that these prehistoric humans possessed surprisingly elaborate tertitorial arrangements.

          The passage isn’t very long and anybody can sail the high seas to read for themselves.
          There are exceptions, as with anything in life, but it seems that borders did in fact exist since the dawn of humans.