I was thinking about the phrase ‘The pot calling the kettle black’. It comes from a time where cooking was done over open fires and cookware would become visibly ashy. (Fun fact: It first appears and was perhaps coined by Cervantes in Don Quixote!)

What are some other idioms that have lost their literal connection to time? What would be a good modern replacement?

  • SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip
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    5 days ago

    Oh, man, when it comes to nautical idioms, I could go on all day. There are so many, and they’ve lost their literal connections so thoroughly, you probably don’t even think of some of them as idioms. A few that occur to me immediately:

    • taken aback (wind on the wrong side of the sails)
    • give a wide berth (extra space for a vessel to maneuver)
    • leeway (unwanted downwind slippage of the vessel when in motion)
    • above board (on deck, the board being the section of the hull running fore and aft just above the water line)
    • onboard (to load onto the deck of the ship)
    • go by the board (to fall off of the ship into the water, passing the board on the way)
    • hand over fist (two-handed motion to pull in sails, ropes, etc. as quickly as possible)
    • high and dry (above the tide line)
    • loose cannon (a gun insufficiently secured would cause havoc on a warship when fired, or as the ship rolled in waves)

    Honestly, I’m not sure that I want modern equivalents, since many are so rich in imagery.

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        2 days ago

        It’s a shame most people think that’s about sails being up, but sheets are the ropes that control the sails, if they are to the wind you’re not going to make any way

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      Honestly, I’m not sure that I want modern equivalents, since many are so rich in imagery.

      I do love the imagery of “loose Canon”, and by “love” I mean that as it’s been described and depicted, it’s a truly horrifying situation. So it makes for a really visceral image.

      A quick aside: there’s this murder mystery/logic puzzle game called “the Return of the Obra Dinn” that takes place on a merchant ship. The game is basically like a series of still frame dioramas that you have to analyze and figure out what’s going on. There’s a particularly striking scene with a cannon which breaks loose from its chains and several unfortunate sailors. It took me a long time to actually find the third sailor in the scene… (There wasn’t a lot left)

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      5 days ago

      Very nice! Amazing how ingrained they’ve become. “That new recruit is a car without brakes” just doesn’t ring the same does it?

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      5 days ago

      I thought “by the boards” referred to losing the mast specifically snapped off right at the deck.