i maintain that the reason everyone on the internet hates php is because the devs who write php code all day go home to their spouse and kids after work instead of arguing on the internet.
cuz, nobody really treats any other language like this, even though… gestures to npm and pypi’s constant security flaws
We are fully capable of thinking PHP, NPM, and PyPi are trash simultaneously. Though it should also be said that only PHP has had decades of security flaws in the language itself, rather than a package manager.
It’s just a very poorly designed language with countless footguns and fucking idiotic standard library functions, on top of being a running joke, security-wise.
The most insane thing I ever worked in was Qt Creator, which used JavaScript for the UI and C++ for the lower level back end stuff. The switching your brain had to do to go back and forth between the two languages was remarkable. I think Qt is the real reason the suicide and alcoholism rates in Finland are so high.
Php improved a lot since that article was written but anyone who had a) sense and b) choice stopped using it already. And there are many ways it continues to be fundamentally broken
Or because people had bad experiences with it. Like hosting software built in PHP, which seems to have uniquely terrible hosting mechanics and version and dependency management.
“Isn’t” what? If you’re referring to the hosting experience, I’m talking based on experience setting up some PHP software from the last year or two. Unless you just slap docker on it, it seems to be a pain getting php running, it might want a very specific version (extra pain to get that specific version running), and I remember dependency management giving me trouble, possibly also being weird with the older version of PHP.
every project I set up in the last 10 or 15 years was just “composer install” and done. (plus whatever configuration like DB etc you need)
Sure, might need to check what minimum version you need, but backwards compatibility is pretty good, so along a major version you can often just pick the latest
I don’t know what weird projects you checked out, but that might just be on them instead of the language
i maintain that the reason everyone on the internet hates php is because the devs who write php code all day go home to their spouse and kids after work instead of arguing on the internet.
cuz, nobody really treats any other language like this, even though… gestures to npm and pypi’s constant security flaws
We are fully capable of thinking PHP, NPM, and PyPi are trash simultaneously. Though it should also be said that only PHP has had decades of security flaws in the language itself, rather than a package manager.
It’s just a very poorly designed language with countless footguns and fucking idiotic standard library functions, on top of being a running joke, security-wise.
Yup, PHP is a workhorse language that pays the bills. Source: My bills.
If you treat programming as a job, PHP is good because it lets you get things done.
If you treat programming as a craft, PHP is gross for a whole bunch of reasons.
I usually see more Javascript hate than PHP hate these days, mostly because everyone had forgotten that PHP exists.
JavaScript gets a lot of shit and part of that’s from me, a JavaScript dev.
The most insane thing I ever worked in was Qt Creator, which used JavaScript for the UI and C++ for the lower level back end stuff. The switching your brain had to do to go back and forth between the two languages was remarkable. I think Qt is the real reason the suicide and alcoholism rates in Finland are so high.
I used Qt before as a library for C++, never knew there was a Qt Creator but that was eons ago.
My heart goes out to all those Fins.
As long as they keep all those land mines on the border, they’ll be fine.
No other language is as popular but as shit.
https://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
Php improved a lot since that article was written but anyone who had a) sense and b) choice stopped using it already. And there are many ways it continues to be fundamentally broken
Nooo but how do I hecking pad things on the left?!?!!!1!! I need 600 npm packages before I can put a div on a page
I definitely treat npm the worst because it deserves it.
'ate php
'ate js
'ate java
love me python
love me plain html
simple as
I miss the days of creating web sites in Notepad.
Big of true.
~It’s true. Am PHP dev.~
They hate us because of our
freedomscp-to-prod pipelineWell, JS is just as much of a joke to me. ;)
let me finish the sentence:
…because they knew about the vulnerability since 2024 and simply forgot about it.
Or because people had bad experiences with it. Like hosting software built in PHP, which seems to have uniquely terrible hosting mechanics and version and dependency management.
Or really isn’t. At least not for the last 15 or so years
“Isn’t” what? If you’re referring to the hosting experience, I’m talking based on experience setting up some PHP software from the last year or two. Unless you just slap docker on it, it seems to be a pain getting php running, it might want a very specific version (extra pain to get that specific version running), and I remember dependency management giving me trouble, possibly also being weird with the older version of PHP.
*It really isn’t
every project I set up in the last 10 or 15 years was just “composer install” and done. (plus whatever configuration like DB etc you need)
Sure, might need to check what minimum version you need, but backwards compatibility is pretty good, so along a major version you can often just pick the latest
I don’t know what weird projects you checked out, but that might just be on them instead of the language