During the pandemic, our CEO did a company-wide meeting and told us to reach out to extroverts because they were really suffering. And yeah I get that but can’t the extroverts just reach out to each other and save everyone else the hassle? I mean that’s already kind of their schtick.
Same at our company. People had to get therapy because of how horrible everything was and how hard it was to be isolated and work from home.
Meanwhile I had never been happier in my life. No one interrupted my work, I had all communication in writing on slack, and I could take micro breaks and throw a load in the washer or handle some small task during the day and still get hours to spare and money saved due to not having a commute.
I remember saying at the time that the lockdown was basically the world flipping from Extrovert World to Introvert World temporarily, and as an introvert who essentially has to live permanently in Extrovert World it was wild to see how quickly and utterly the extroverts fell apart when they had to exist in Introvert World even for a short while. And it wasn’t just like “oh they’re unhappy.” It felt legit dangerous, they were ready to burn it all to the ground.
A lot of them moved permanently. I live in a podunk state and yeah. When we got the vaccine, there was a whole new crop of established people at the bars and they were all assholes.
Struggling to find an open grocery store in the middle of the night so I could shop with nobody around, sure. (Lots of formerly 24 hour businesses are still closed by 10 now, annoyingly)
I’m basing it on my own experience and understanding of reality, no “personality typology systems” involved or needed. Not everything is graphable. People talk about getting social energy from interacting with others vs. getting it from being alone, I feel I get social energy from food and sleep, just like the rest of my energy. I enjoy being alone, I enjoy being with people, sometimes I want to do one over the other, but neither predictably more than the other. I get tired from being awake and active for long periods of time, how many people are or aren’t around me doesn’t change that. Like I don’t even think it’s a spectrum between the two, that’s still forcing an arbitrary dichotomy that I just don’t think truly exists. Ultimately it comes down to prescriptivism vs descriptivism, and the latter is always going to be more “true” than the former. It’s great if other people find the comparison helpful for understanding themselves and true to their own experiences, I simply don’t. And if I don’t, I know there are plenty of others that don’t, because I’m exceedingly average and no one is that unique.
The majority of people see it as an either/or issue and I’m of the belief that usage defines the tool, not the other way around. To me, that’s a false dichotomy. If there are a bunch of other distinct categories people can fall into, extrovert vs introvert is just one set of many possible facets of personality-type interactions to be compared, they’re certainly not the two ends of a binary spectrum. Having read this article on intuitive introversion,, I can confidently say that doesn’t describe me either. If you feel that article isn’t an accurate representation of the archetype, I’d be happy to read something you think is and reconsider. Ultimately though, we might as well skip alI that and you could just read me my horoscope, I’d find it equally useful.
You read. I am not on the clock. I am not here to diagnose you. I do not need to be accurate. I do need to use more examples than just my own on these casual things but I digress.
I did not give you a reading list on purpose. So you wouldn’t read it as a Wikipedia article and would instead read with yourself in mind.
I understand your frustration because it is literally mine. But words matter. Personality as described by the laymen usage of only the main attitudes (as in the meme and your gripe) is akin to use a Mendel square in Biology to map out hereditary traits.
A tool of abstract simplification over a vastly more complicated subject. But not a false dichotomy.
P.S. Your horoscope says that your cornflakes are crossing your piss and are being an asshole.
During the pandemic, our CEO did a company-wide meeting and told us to reach out to extroverts because they were really suffering. And yeah I get that but can’t the extroverts just reach out to each other and save everyone else the hassle? I mean that’s already kind of their schtick.
Same at our company. People had to get therapy because of how horrible everything was and how hard it was to be isolated and work from home.
Meanwhile I had never been happier in my life. No one interrupted my work, I had all communication in writing on slack, and I could take micro breaks and throw a load in the washer or handle some small task during the day and still get hours to spare and money saved due to not having a commute.
I often think that “return to office” was “extroverts want a captive audience and don’t care how miserable they are.”
That, and some people really thrive in an environment where their communication lacks a paper trail because they’re duplicitous assholes.
I remember saying at the time that the lockdown was basically the world flipping from Extrovert World to Introvert World temporarily, and as an introvert who essentially has to live permanently in Extrovert World it was wild to see how quickly and utterly the extroverts fell apart when they had to exist in Introvert World even for a short while. And it wasn’t just like “oh they’re unhappy.” It felt legit dangerous, they were ready to burn it all to the ground.
People were taking flights to podunk US towns just to go to bars because they were all closed in large coastal cities. Crazy.
A lot of them moved permanently. I live in a podunk state and yeah. When we got the vaccine, there was a whole new crop of established people at the bars and they were all assholes.
As an extrovert it’s like a 1:10 ratio
The funny thing is, introverts were struggling too I’m sure, they just didn’t tell anyone about it like the extroverts did
Struggling to find an open grocery store in the middle of the night so I could shop with nobody around, sure. (Lots of formerly 24 hour businesses are still closed by 10 now, annoyingly)
24h grocery stores where awesome during covid. I really miss going shopping at 3 at night.
Now I’m back to: hungry? maybe going to sleep will fix it
Yeah, I miss not having to remember what time the grocery store closes.
Being confined to the same house as an extrovert? Yeah, that was struggling.
You don’t get bonus points for suffering in silence
Lol ok?
Well it’s a false dichotomy, so they weren’t just talking to the introverts.
Oversimplified, yes. But false dichotomy?
Which personality typology system are you basing that under, and what other attitude types does it add over extraversion and introversion?
I’m basing it on my own experience and understanding of reality, no “personality typology systems” involved or needed. Not everything is graphable. People talk about getting social energy from interacting with others vs. getting it from being alone, I feel I get social energy from food and sleep, just like the rest of my energy. I enjoy being alone, I enjoy being with people, sometimes I want to do one over the other, but neither predictably more than the other. I get tired from being awake and active for long periods of time, how many people are or aren’t around me doesn’t change that. Like I don’t even think it’s a spectrum between the two, that’s still forcing an arbitrary dichotomy that I just don’t think truly exists. Ultimately it comes down to prescriptivism vs descriptivism, and the latter is always going to be more “true” than the former. It’s great if other people find the comparison helpful for understanding themselves and true to their own experiences, I simply don’t. And if I don’t, I know there are plenty of others that don’t, because I’m exceedingly average and no one is that unique.
All that you said, is precisely what Jungian Psychology teaches. Like I said, oversimplified, yes. False dichotomy, no.
What you described is known as the intuitive introvert. We don’t have a club. Make your own jacket.
The majority of people see it as an either/or issue and I’m of the belief that usage defines the tool, not the other way around. To me, that’s a false dichotomy. If there are a bunch of other distinct categories people can fall into, extrovert vs introvert is just one set of many possible facets of personality-type interactions to be compared, they’re certainly not the two ends of a binary spectrum. Having read this article on intuitive introversion,, I can confidently say that doesn’t describe me either. If you feel that article isn’t an accurate representation of the archetype, I’d be happy to read something you think is and reconsider. Ultimately though, we might as well skip alI that and you could just read me my horoscope, I’d find it equally useful.
You read. I am not on the clock. I am not here to diagnose you. I do not need to be accurate. I do need to use more examples than just my own on these casual things but I digress.
I did not give you a reading list on purpose. So you wouldn’t read it as a Wikipedia article and would instead read with yourself in mind.
I understand your frustration because it is literally mine. But words matter. Personality as described by the laymen usage of only the main attitudes (as in the meme and your gripe) is akin to use a Mendel square in Biology to map out hereditary traits.
A tool of abstract simplification over a vastly more complicated subject. But not a false dichotomy.
P.S. Your horoscope says that your cornflakes are crossing your piss and are being an asshole.