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  • DagwoodIII@piefed.social
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    2 days ago

    People being ‘anti-science.’

    I grew up with Star Trek and old school science fiction stories where the rulers were ‘The Council Of Science’ or some such. There used to be a Presidential Science Advisor in the White House.

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      17 hours ago

      The entire 2020 pandemic convinced me as to how many people who did not trust science. It was the biggest dying on the inside moment I have ever had.

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      Man, 2020 (Covid) was so depressing with all that. Nurses not wearing masks and denying the effectiveness of vaccines was such a kick in the crotch for my morale.

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      The problem with science is that consensus changes but often with tremendous lag.

      The whole anti-fat movement I grew up in, for instance. It never made sense to me so I’ve always been a fan of fat. I always eat my chicken skins, always eat (at least chew) the fat on my steaks.

      People used to worry about cholesterol a lot but then we found out dietary cholesterol doesn’t really matter for most people.

      Turns out sugar is a lot worse than fat for you. Which they knew back then but industries being what they are … They use money to influence the research. Now they’re finally removing the refined sugars but now they’re pumping like three, four maybe five artificial sweeteners in there and pretty much all of them are linked to various problems…

      That’s great for science, when done honestly, it’s striving to be better and it can change when it needs to. But these days there’s a lot of bad science out there and it can be difficult to discern what is good science from what is total bullshit.

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        17 hours ago

        To discern the bad science aka pseudoscience from actual educational science, is to follow the money as to what research is being fixed.

        Science was always a practice of trial and error. Always will be. Science may not have all of the answers but it dares to challenge itself at all times to find those answers and is not afraid of being wrong.

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          There’s no point to follow the money. You follow the science. Both good and bad science are funded by drum roll please money!

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            Yes there is. You follow the money, find out who’s orchestrating researches and then you just brand them as the problem. Stop being a defeatist.

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        Nothing is ever ‘pure.’

        The old name for Down’s Syndrome was Mongoloid Idiocy, because mostly European doctors thought the eye folds made people look ‘Asiatic.’

        The point is that you have people who are trying to discover an objective truth, and people who think that their Truth is already perfect.

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          this is why a lot of folks don’t think science is real though, because it doesn’t produce eternal truths that simplistic and easy to understand in simple algebra F = ma. Once you go to mechanics and calculus, you lose them and it’s magic and wizards.

          they think the fact you can make Pluto not a planet means science is just shit people make up on a whim. and they aren’t wrong, in principle. it is made up shit, but it’s done by consensus of peer-reviewed experts often over years and decades of work pointing us to a new conclusion.

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      this pretty much sums up the enshitification to me. sure at its core its wealth disparity but I was a stem major and first they choked off funding and now its just plain ole antiscience. I mean he put out a presidential order about vaccine timelines.

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      The most of them think being anti-education is a kind of science in itself. They never looked at any of that as based in what was tangible, so shifting the role of who gets to define reality onto youtube gurus and facebook groups wasn’t a huge change

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        Want to share come details?

        Did your family watch space shots? Could you see Star Wars? 6,000 year old Earth?

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          they think science was for anti-social losers and weirdos and nerds. and scientists shouldn’t be making public policy, business people should.

          the only ‘science’ they were OK with was doctors. because they help people, they don’t work in some weird underground lab giving mice cancer for fun.