Just blocked lemmy.ml from my Lemmy account, and I swear to god it’s one of the best things I’ve ever done on this platform. My homepage feels actually clean now.
For the past few months I’d been seeing a lot of tankie posting and pretty much far-left propaganda on my feed. It got tiring enough that I finally checked my blocked-user list, and realized pretty much everyone I’d blocked was from lemmy.ml. So I just blocked the whole instance instead.
Saying this as someone who considers themselves a leftist: I used to think Lemmy itself was an echo chamber. Turns out lemmy.ml was the problem the entire time. Probably the reason I tolerated it for so long is that I agreed with a lot of what they posted, but like an oversaturated meme, I’d had enough. Browsing the platform was starting to feel way too tiring instead of fun, which defeats the point of being here in the first place.
The breaking point was seeing some dude post a “meme” implying North Korea and China are basically communist utopias and that the West sucks. I mean, the West does suck, but come on - you’re saying North Korea is the ideal the West should strive for? What the hell…
As opposed to the peak truth of just outright saying false things and getting mad that people point out they aren’t true?
“I didn’t murder him.”
Pushed harder
“Akshully I only pushed him down the stairs and sent him to the hospital. He died of an MRSA infection he picked up in the ICU”
America exaggerated because that’s what they, and China do, but the constant BS of “nothing happened in the square” outside China and strong arming people inside China, when you know what we’re talking about and you know shit happened, is abuser shit.
“Yes you were right, but that just makes you an abuser!”
I’m just going to start calling it “The Tiananman square adjacent massacre” to diffuse this toddler-ass behavior from y’all before it starts. Though, it does make you all look ridiculous when you do this. So, maybe not.
“don’t you realize that being correct makes you look ridiculous!”
I’m shocked you got them to admit any deaths at all. Used to they wouldn’t do that.
I guess the mask is slowly falling off they have to admit some of the shit here and there now or else they’d lose credibility completely.
That’s a good example of the entire instance and users on it though. “Well it wasn’t in the square” lol ok, but they still murdered a bunch of people for protesting.
Its like they have a fundamental need to be “right” no matter what. “There is no Tianamen Square massacre because it didn’t happen in the square. So HA. All those murders inches away from the square were because they deserved it for illegally protesting!”
Also I think its wild that on their instance they all have their pronouns listed when China is pretty notoriously anti LGBTQ.
From Wikipedia (which I’m surprised they used as a source earlier, you try doing that on their own instance with anything that goes against their narrative and you will be perma banned for “imperialism”)
"LGBTQ venues and events have been forced to shut and LGBTQ rights activists have become subject to greater scrutiny by the country’s system of mass surveillance. The CCP increasingly considers LGBTQ advocacy the work of “foreign forces”. LGBTQ content is censored. "
They should all move to that utopia that is China but I’ll bet you all of them live in capitalist countries. (Which is fucking hilarious) Meanwhile here (which is also not a great place at all but I’m allowed to be honest about that) you can adopt kids and marry if you’re gay. Two things that are illegal in China.
Vehemently defending a country that hates you for existing has to be some form of self hate or something. Its hard to understand the logic of it.
I have never seen anyone argue that no deaths happened whatsoever in Beijing on June 4th. Every time the Tian’anman Square Massacre narrative gets brought up, people come out of the woodworks to correct the narrative, that there were disparate riots all over Beijing but that the square was peacefully evacuated. This is factually contrary to western “common sense” narratives.
As for using Wikipedia, it’s frequently biased against socialist states, so when it’s forced even by its own biases to admit that there isn’t hard evidence of something, it’s noteworthy. This makes it an especially useful tool for introducing leftist analysis of socialist states and their histories whenever they are forced to concede the narrative to the socialists.
As for gay rights in China, they are getting better. The Supreme People’s Court of China issued a response declaring anti-LGBTQ discrimination to be bad and harmful. This is not a legal change, but a sign of changes already undergoing in China, where the younger generations are more accepting of queer identities and thus laws are locally changing gradually.
As for moving to China, my spouse and I have that as a backup plan, though it’s incredibly difficult to do and enormously expensive, which is a hurdle for any working class family to do. I don’t know why you think we wouldn’t be willing to live in China, besides the fact that we have families, friends, and lives where we live currently that we would have to abandon.
You’ve never seen any of the tankies say that it was all fabricated and that none of it ever happened? You must have missed WhatWouldKarlDo’s comment that says
"> To deny the events that unfolded at Tiananmen Square is like denying that humans have been to the moon. It’s an unfounded, in fact, disprovable conspiracy theory.
So prove it to us then. All you’re doing right now is scolding us for being insane conspiracy theorists. I’ve never seen any evidence that anything happened at tiananmen square. Reports from people who were actually there all say that there was no massacre
The US has a very long history of lying about its enemies. There are plenty of declassified CIA docs that talk about what lies to tell the media. Why is this one different?"
There’s a lot more but it is tiring scouring through all the bullshit in those .ml communities to point more of them out. they will say any deaths were radical insurgents that were illegally protesting and funded by the CIA to sow dissent. Its all crazy ass bullshit.
My country kills people all the time police brutality is rampant here and it is super fucked up that our government allows it to happen. See how easy that is, to be honest about events? No need for blaming some foreign league of armed militants, or KGB funded psyop bullshit.
“As for using Wikipedia, it’s frequently biased against socialist states, so when it’s forced even by its own biases to admit that there isn’t hard evidence of something, it’s noteworthy.”
So you’re saying when it fits the narrative you agree with its ok to use but any other time its biased and chauvinist. Makes sense.
And how do you feel about Russia? Would you move there, too? You guys defend it a lot. They say homosexuality doesn’t exist there maybe you could be the first ones! If it is such a welcoming place, make the change.
And yes I think it is absolutely, 100% both hilarious and telling that none of you live in any of those places. All capitalist countries across the board but always plans to totally move soon.
To be honest I don’t rely on Wikipedia much at all. However, when I am making a point and Wikipedia even agrees with me, it’s enormously effective because it means that even those normally biased against socialism agree with the claims I make. This isn’t a particularly difficult idea to grasp, if they are biased against something but don’t have the evidence to back up someone’s anti-socialist claims, it means that no credible evidence exists, period, for said anti-socialist claims.
I have no idea what your incoherent rant about Russia is meant to imply. It’s a homophobic, capitalist country governed by reactionary nationalists. Defending Russia’s stance against western imperialism is not the same as saying Russia is a socially progressive and good country to live in, this isn’t a difficult concept to grasp either. Russia is similar to Iran in that communists don’t support their domestic policy, while supporting largely their foreign policy.
I organize with a communist party where I live. I actively work to bring about socialism where I live. I’d love to move to China, except it’s enormously difficult and would uproot the lives of myself and my family. Why is this a difficult concept to grasp for you?
Yeah, they’re fucking bonkers over there. I absolutely do not toe the line for America, but .ml people repeatedly accused me of being a chauvinist even as I was actively bad mouthing the country, because I called them out on this exact topic of “the tanmen square adjacent massacre”. It was
All in all, they gave me a great gift. I wasted a total of 20 minutes or so with them, and then they gave me a boon that lasts forever. I’m pretty sure it’s like mirror universe /pol/, a limited hangout for billionaire social control reasons.