Just blocked lemmy.ml from my Lemmy account, and I swear to god it’s one of the best things I’ve ever done on this platform. My homepage feels actually clean now.
For the past few months I’d been seeing a lot of tankie posting and pretty much far-left propaganda on my feed. It got tiring enough that I finally checked my blocked-user list, and realized pretty much everyone I’d blocked was from lemmy.ml. So I just blocked the whole instance instead.
Saying this as someone who considers themselves a leftist: I used to think Lemmy itself was an echo chamber. Turns out lemmy.ml was the problem the entire time. Probably the reason I tolerated it for so long is that I agreed with a lot of what they posted, but like an oversaturated meme, I’d had enough. Browsing the platform was starting to feel way too tiring instead of fun, which defeats the point of being here in the first place.
The breaking point was seeing some dude post a “meme” implying North Korea and China are basically communist utopias and that the West sucks. I mean, the West does suck, but come on - you’re saying North Korea is the ideal the West should strive for? What the hell…
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Having mindless tankies parrot ccp and russian propaganda is getting tiring.
More worried about the much more prevalent american imperialist support.
Ah yes the vast support the current US government enjoys on …Lemmy.
No, we loathe that you’re reducing the problem to “this administration”. I actually love this administration for the fact that it has dropped the facade and I can finally talk about US imperialism showing how cruel it has ever been.
“us imperialism” ok kid
Mother fucker I live in Iran, I’ve seen your bombs hit my fucking neighborhood. Get lost.
I totally believe you that you live in Iran now
I seriously don’t give a flying fuck what you think madar ghahbe.
I’m glad you’re on here and I’m sorry you’re having to live through what you are living through.
I hope it ends as peacefully as is possible now soon.
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Yeah, that’s the problem, the opposition to American imperialism only goes as far as “orange man bad”
Americans think Trump is a mistake when he’s the truest reflection of the American soul there ever was!
Try talking about Nato expansion and see how far you get.
The government doesn’t care if you hate it as long as you confirm the narrative with your hate.
We’re officially on the decline. A laughing stock to our enemies and a pariah to our allies. Even if the American people pull off a miracle somehow in 2028 and elect someone like Ocasio Cortez to the presidency. No one in Europe should just forgive everything and get all buddy buddy with us again. We’ve only shown we cannot be trusted. The ball has been passed keep your eye on where it is, not where the ball was.
Oh yes cause there is so much of that here.
Whatabout capitalists parroting propaganda? Checkmate.
Yeah they are tiring too and they are destroying the country with their blind idolitry.
I was mostly making fun of tankies’ only argument being that capitalists do something bad too so it’s OK to do it themselves
Poe’s law strikes again, I thought you were that tankie.
their doomer, pseudo intellectual main course with a dessert of populist fantasy crap is depressing
at least their radicalization stuff was kinda spicy but it’s an addictive combo to melt your brain into the cult
No! It isn’t propaganda! You’re the one who is parroting propaganda!
Saying russia and china are dictatorships and stuff, i saw a post on VK that said exactly the contrary! And it must be true!
Xi Jinping said he cares about free speech, he can’t lie, only western politicians lie!
I am pretty sure that a sizeable amount of accounts there have connections to the FSB.
Whining about .ml takes up more of my feed than .ml
People should block users and instances that they dont want to see. They are in charge of their account. Then you wont have to feudpost about these people you blocked because you wont see them.
I just scrolled a few pages on that instance and it seems like youre being dramatic.
Could someone give some examples of these leftist propaganda posts? I just browse all top day, maybe they get diluted enough for me to overlook these… i’ve seen this argument pass by so many times.
Experimenting with blocklists is fine and how you find your comfort zone on Lemmy.
I once made an experiment in which I blocked lemmy.world - not out of spite, but to just see what the rest of Lemmy has to offer. Turns out, quite much!
Still, too many niche communities are hosted on .world, so here I am again.
I tend to agree that the majority of communities are hosted on 3 major instance’s its a concern that makes it difficult remove any of the 3 or 4 mega instances regardless of policies or practices.
I see many saying just boycott or block .world but, a decent source of communities im in are listed there. I know it’s against the spirit of fediverse but I don’t see that changing any time soon.
Lemmy.world is clearly run by a bunch of incompetent, at least slightly bigoted, idiots and it really shows in the overall quality of the community that results.
I think the most toxic thing about Lemmy.World is a pervasive belief that stricter rules and more automation will make everything better and they are just so painfully, blatantly wrong about it that it hurts.
cool. i disagree. in my 3 years on fedi it’s been the most chill instance that is more hands off than many of the other ones.
and the userbase is far less militant than other instances.
piefed.social is fairly chill too
The developer for Piefed.Social’s main front end app that they develop literally has censorship baked into the code with hardcoded instance blocks that are not obvious to the user or even a new instance creator who doesn’t look to far into the details…
So what are you saying is, your bubble is nice and you aren’t willing to confront how or why the bubble looks as unchallenging to your belief systems as it does :)
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/72685299
https://lemmy.pobierz.net/post/1293
I discovered this after upgrading our instance yesterday, which also upgraded all frontends to their latest versions as well. After I did, our Tesseract frontend stopped working and I noticed immediately as it’s been my primary for a while. Initially I thought it was an API version mismatch, but no, it was much worse.
Someone pointed out that the developer of the frontend added an explicit hidden and unmodifiably blacklist which includes any and all instances to the left of Kissinger. There’s a commit which also explains their specious reasoning about our instance specifically, as it seems we’ve been on their shit list for a bit longer than that.
This instance and its admin staff encourages identity politics, groupthink, mob mentality, and extremist solutions to societal problems. Users who advocate violence are not moderated so long as the admins agree with the target. Caution and critical thinking are advised when interacting with this instance or its users.
When you use tesseract to connect to one blacklisted such instance , you just get a message informing you that Tesseract is “incompatible with that instance” which leads one to think of a technical issue, like an API mismatch, rather than the dev being an opinionated coward.
Isn’t it funny how all the software developed by turbolibs, like Piefed and Tesseract, end up with hidden control mechanisms from developers who think they know better than everyone else? That they don’t just think they deserve to tell you what you should think, but they should manipulate you to think it? Isn’t it funny how libs go on about how bad it is to support lemmy due to the ideology of the devs behind it, and yet lemmy has 0 opinions as a software? It does make one think…
Anyway, I forked - it as one does - and disabled the blacklist, but since this is a massively ideologically compromised software, I’ll doubt I’ll keep this frontend up after Lemmy 1.0. I think we’ll bring up mlmym again now that someone’s maintaining it again.
yeah. i also blocked db0 manually too. no idea what the other instance is. pretty sure i blocked db0 before it was a standard block on piefed.
i have no interest in anarchists and their delusional worldviews and their fantasizing about violence and revolution.
i don’t have a belief system. but i notice pretty much everyone fedi loves to tell me about how wrong mine is and how i need to believe what they believe or I’m a terrible awful shitty human being.
i also don’t buy penis enlargement pills, or listen to fundamentalist Christians, or flat earthers and lots other things. those folks also ‘challenge my belief system’, but my belief is that they are deranged and obsessed with falsehoods.
mormons come to by door a few times a year and want to educate about how christ will make my life meaningful and amazing, i also don’t listen to them either. and i highly doubt you are letting them into your home to lecture you too.
i don’t have a belief system.
facepalm I really hate being reminded constantly of how important a well rounded education with arts, language and critical thinking stressed as well as STEM concepts is…
Yes, you most definitely have a belief system just as much as you most certainly have biases, it is part of being a human being.
Oh yeah, what is my belief system them?
according to posters on lemmy, I vote for trump, but i’m also far left, i’m a centrist lib, but also a far right socialist, etc.
weird how that there is zero consistency in how others categorize me… perhaps because I don’t have a rigid well-defined system of belief that they insist I must have. you have have beliefs about the world without them being systematic or unified under any particular ideology or political grouping.
though i understand that for most fediverse users, this idea is inconceivable, because they live to define themselves and others by belief systems, and like you, then immediately go for insults about how stupid, dumb, and ignorant you are, if you don’t agree with them about your own beliefs.
because you know, just insult, mock, and harass anyone who doesn’t agree with you. as you just done. because you are some superior being who is so well-educated and I am clearly an ignorant fool who should listen to you and your wisdom.
i don’t have a belief system.
Lol. A parody of yourself
Says one of the least chill people on lemmy.
It’s an inherent problem with having both users and communities on the same instances, and just how humans tend to operate in general in that we automatically gravitate to others and clump together.
I think it was @rglullis@communick.news who was saying that in an ideal world there would be two types of instances, one for users and one that only served as hosting space for communities. That way you could block or defederate user groups without losing access to entire communities.
Of course, we’re way past the point where reorganization into a structure like that is feasible. But it’s interesting to think about.
Thank you! At least I don´t feel so alone now. :)
we’re way past the point where reorganization into a structure like that is feasible
I am still optimistic about it. It will be impossible to make one huge push in this direction, but slowly people will come to realize that this is the most sensible approach. For example, I’ve noticed that !nba@nba.space started to get more activity because !nba@lemmy.world is considering moving out of LW, but are spending a lot of time debating over a lateral move. If only they had accepted when I first invited them to join as mods from the topic-specific instance, this would’ve never been an issue.
That is an interesting concept, I would argue that it wouldn’t tackle the root cause of why most would want to federate due to rules just being universally applied to both the user instance and the community instance for the mega instances, and it still wouldn’t do anything with it being against the spirit of the fediverse in terms of needing to spread or web out, but I agree it would be nice.
i’m new to my instance that isn’t defederated from anything and I see an awful lot of whining about .ml hexbear and lemmygrad but i haven’t seen the users do anything. i’m more annoyed by the whiners so far.
Same. I don’t block anything and it’s perfectly fine tbh. So called “tankies” supposedly everywhere, but all I see are left-wing people.
It feels like people are upset about running into users who are politically left-leaning… on federated social media.
That’s like being upset about encountering queer people in the arts, or chuds in the weightlifting space, or conservatives at the gun range. What the hell did you expect?
So called “tankies” supposedly everywhere, but all I see are left-wing people.
Yes. Because “tankie” is just a pejorative for anyone to the left of the western Overton window
What? Tankie is a term that came around to disparage communists who sided with the USSR in sending tanks to Hungary. It specifically means authoritarian Stalinish stuff
Nobody in the year 2026 is using the word tankie in the context of the internal disagreement between British Trotskyists and Khrushchevists about the Hungarian uprising in the 1950s. Even you immediately - one sentence later - pivot to claiming it must means “authoritarian Stalinish stuff”, which is both incredibly vague and has nothing to do with the Hungarian revolution; a term that can be used for anyone to the left of the western Overton window.
woah that’s a bunch of crazy rambling
I see why people block y’all. No. No one calls anarchists tankies. Confabulate as much as you want. It means what it means, and has meant since its inception. People like you, probably. And you fucking know it.
lol all they did was disagree with you relax
Lol like everyone in here complaining and blocking, when you were presented with facts, your true colors came out.
Softer than baby shit.
Anarchists that support existing socialist states get called tankie all the time. “Tankie” isn’t an ideology or a species of human, it’s a pejorative for a loose grouping of those that like, say, China and Cuba.
I see why people block y’all. No.
Oh no! Someone disagrees with you! Better reach for that block button! That’ll show them.
No one calls anarchists tankies
Yes they do. All the time. Ask me how I know.
Confabulate as much as you want.
Go back to reddit
It means what it means, and has meant since its inception.
You don’t seriously believe that the word tankie, in this day and age, is only used to refer to people who support Khrushchev sending tanks into Hungry half a century ago. So you’re just undeniably being willfully dishonest now. And for what? What is the point about lying about this?
People like you, probably. And you fucking know it.
I was not born for several decades when the Hungarian revolt occurred and have no real opinion on it, so no, I don’t “fucking know it”, I know you’re fucking wrong, and are trying to cover that up with impotent aggression.
No one calls anarchists tankies
Yes they do. All the time. Ask me how I know.
You know because George Soros paid you to tell that lie probably!
No one calls anarchists tankies.
Happens all the time, it’s a right wing/ center-lib tactic to sow division
“Tankie” is essentially a pejorative for those that support AES states. Tankies are everywhere on the fediverse, the reality is that so-called tankies aren’t the evil people that want to eat babies or anything like those loudly complaining about us believe.
It’s my understanding that tankie refers to people who think of themselves as left-wing but actually back authoritarian states and make excuses for their war crimes and human rights abuses.
All states are authoritarian. All states are monopolies on violence, in the interests of the ruling class of society. The major difference with socialist states is that the ruling class is the working class, while owning classes are subjugated by the authority of the state. Further, so-called tankies aren’t really concerned with excuses, but with dispelling bourgeois mythos. Information warfare is incredibly complex, and directed against anything that serves as an alternative to the dominance of western hegemony and neoimperialism, led by the dominance of finance capital and multinational corporations on a global scale.
Would you mind rewriting that so someone not as versed in theory as you can understand it?
What part was difficult? I’ll do my best.
The whole thing is full of jargon.
If Tankies were anything like you’re trying to portray them. Then they wouldn’t blindly support Russia, China, North Korea which are dictatorships. They wouldn’t ban anyone who mentions tiananmen square or the China and Russian genocides…
I mean who actually believes the working class in China (which doesn’t own anything much less the means of production) supports getting “scored” for their social standing… Lol
Tankies don’t “blindly” support the Russian Federation, PRC, and DPRK. Ask a tankie about what they support about anything you find odd or abhorrent. Tankies don’t even support Russia, just their movements against the present hegemonic system of US imperialism, which by opposing they help take the boot off the necks of the global south. The PRC and DPRK are supported, as actually existing socialist countries, but not blindly. Ask away and you’ll get nuanced answers.
You aren’t banned for mentioning the 1989 Tian’anmen Square protests, nor the June 4th, 1989 Beijing Riots and suppression of said riots. You get banned for repeating now debunked atrocity propaganda about 10,000 students on the square itself getting killed, rather than the truth, which is that the hundreds that were killed that day, including dozens of PLA officers and a few hundred rioters, happened in areas all over Beijing as the PLA advanced towards the square. As for China and Russia’s genocides, not even western consensus agrees that these even exist. The UN doesn’t believe any repressions by China or Russia amount to genocide, and Wikipedia simply reports on the allegations, not taking a firm stance.
As for China, the working classes own and control the state, which in turn controls and owns the commanding heights of the economy. Virtually all finance is state-owned, and all strategic industries such as defense, electric power, petroleum and petrochemicals, telecommunications, coal, civil aviation, and shipping are overwhelmingly state owned. “Pillar industries” such as equipment manufacturing, auto, information technology, construction, iron and steel, nonferrous metals and chemicals are largely but not as thoroughly state owned, and emerging industries are largely private.
Private industry is allowed to assist with the socialization of production, developing the foundation of public ownership and planning. It’s very difficult to individually plan millions of tiny firms, but a few monopolies become very easy to plan, and folding them into the public sector turns them into public use. Markets create these monopolies naturally, and that’s how and why they are used.
As for the idea of a social credit score, it doesn’t exist outside of a few cities, and is largely used for corrupt businesses. The idea of an Orwellian style credit score simply is fiction meant to scare you, when in reality the west has social credit systems like FICO that apply to every citizen, and dramatically impact what you can afford to do and how to live.
Talk to a tankie sometime.
Every Tankie I’ve run into on .ml has blindly supported all three, banned me for even mentioning things like the square, genocide, Russia being a dictatorship, China “social report card”… The list goes on and and they are consistently as cultist as MAGA lovers in the US.
So forgive me if having been on Lemmy for several years now. I call complete bullshit on your statement.
Oh and seeing the rest of the statement, your attempt to down play the square massacre and split hairs about where and how many were killed. You are absolutely a Tankie and as bad as any MAGA cultist. Take your bullshit propaganda back to .ml
I got banned for “inventing reality” after talking about the 2009 Green Movement in Iran and how a lot of Iranians don’t love their regime. Basing this on Iranians living in Iran apparently was akin to “inventing reality”.
As somebody who was able to see those before they got defederated: If they’re not denying stuff like that Russia is the aggressor, then they have improved and the common conscious is just slow to forgive.
It was “they must be trolls” levels when I still saw them. Pure ragebait levels. And you did often get the feeling that they were just trying to be as edgy as possible.
What’s wrong with people expressing their opinion?
You mean like JAQing off? Like trolls?
No, that’s not what they said
It’s just american imperialist upset they have any pushback.
but i haven’t seen the users do anything.
It’s not the users people block over, blocking an instance doesn’t stop you from interacting with the users.
What it does, is block every community from that instance from your feed, that’s it.
People block .ml, because while some decent communities may exist, their admins will see your comments elsewhere, then find any/all comments on their instance and either harass you or ban you.
The block just means you won’t accidentally stumble into a place they control.
The minority of users who are really problematic, are likely to be banned everywhere else already
Yep, that’s exactly the point
their admins will see your comments elsewhere, then find any/all comments on their instance and either harass you or ban you.
Citation lemmy.ml admins do this please? Also isn’t this technically possible with every single instance of Lemmy?
Citation lemmy.ml admins do this please?
Their instance modlog…
Also isn’t this technically possible with every single instance of Lemmy?
It’s technically possible everyone ran an Epstein level child trafficking ring…
It would be insane to investigate everyone equally instead of just the people we know are doing it…
That should be obvious buddy
Wow that went dark quickly. Not sure any of that was warranted
Wow that went dark quickly
Wait till you hear about the “people’s” revolution under Mao…
People block .ml, because while some decent communities may exist, their admins will see your comments elsewhere, then find any/all comments on their instance and either harass you or ban you.
I’m not sure what you mean. If someone harasses you then you can just block them. If you block an instance it’s users can still see your posts elsewhere and comment can’t they? I don’t politically align with the Lemmy devs but lemmy.ml is their instance and just like piefed, mbin, and others they can run their personal instance as they see fit. Isn’t that the whole point of federation?
If you block an instance it’s users can still see your posts elsewhere and comment can’t they?
Yes, I literally said that earlier in the comment you replied to…
blocking an instance doesn’t stop you from interacting with the users.
And…
they can run their personal instance as they see fit. Isn’t that the whole point of federation?
Yes, that’s why I don’t make posts that they need to change, I just chimed in and provided context for why blocking their instance so you don’t accidentally stumble into their places…
average day in .world when people just make stuff up
Just because that admin hid how to check on their instance, doesn’t mean they can hide it on every instance…
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&modId=855573
That’s your main admin, constantly doing mod level moderation all over the place.
Anything they don’t like, anywhere on their instance, they censor.
he’s enforcing the instance rules, just like any other instance admin…
So…
First you said it was made up…
I provided proof…
So now it’s not made up, it’s just totally cool that it happens.
You don’t see any issue at all with lack of logical consistency?
you claimed that they do mod level moderation all over the place, deleting things they don’t like
your “proof” was an admin enforcing the instance rules, which every good instance admin does.
edit: admin, not mod
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It sure would be swell if people could, at the very least, elevate to a 2d view of politics. Hearing the majority of quadrants II, III, and IV all referred to all “far-left” is confusing at best.
That’s because adding a 2nd axis does almost nothing to mitigate how insanely reductionist political spectrums are. People are not that simple x1,000,000,000.
Nothing wrong with building models with limitations but one cannot test the political compass to measure how reliable it is at predicting future results.
As such I genuinely think the frustration you’re experiencing is because the people who relate to it the most tend to view people over simplistically, usually because they can’t empathize with any human experience that isn’t theirs. Aka conservatives.
Like me as a progressive can empathize with my conservative family that’s never been exposed to trans people and only fed anti-trans bs. But flip the script and they cannot fathom why I don’t go to church or vote conservative like a good christian. I know because they’ve told me.
2nd axis does almost nothing
In 1d about 2/3 of the political spectrum is being called the same thing. Elevating political discourse to where we are not calling tankies and social libertarians the same thing seems like more than “almost nothing” to me.
calling tankies and social libertarians the same thing
The people who do that don’t give a fuck about the difference and never will.
The fact that you point to that as the schism further evidences me that the political compass inherently confines ones thinking.
the schism
To be fair, the quadrant system is also bullshit. Authority isn’t a sliding scale, it depends on which class controls the authority of the state and is therefore either the beneficiary of or victim of authority.
at the very least
it’s not even 2d, it’s 1d. everyone who isn’t me is bad and wrong. many folks here are are straight up solipsistic.
and you aren’t going to elevate anyone like that. they have to take their own head out of their own ass, which is possible, but more likely to be triggered by real life experiences and trauma than internet posts.
of course that’s also not necessary they will ever get better, they often get worse. i have had friends have a traumatic life experience an just shove their head further up their ass even more than it was before. especially during covid.
Damn, it’s been awhile since I’ve seen one of these “greetings fellow leftists” posts whining about .ml.
It says a lot how these always stay up but not the ones people post with actual complaints or issues.
But say ml bad and boom
It is because everyone blocked your instance.
So how often are these kind of posts going up? Everyday?
yeah lol, i blocked more users complaining about it than from your instance, which is personally offputting to me but yeah that’s why it’s your instance and not mine, people just rather bitch than do something to help their own lives
This post made me curious so I took a look at my block list, and almost all of my blocked accounts are from .world. I’ve only blocked two .ml users. I wonder how much that varies by instance.
Why not just use your subscriptions? People use all and then act all entitled when they have to deal with everything. It’s weird.
Don’t be surprised if you find hexbear giving you similar twitches.
I just switch to my subscribed instances when I get tired of All.
Thats the correct answer. If too much stupid stuff gets past the block filters its handy just to switch to the subscribed tab.
Of course this may not get rid of people posting tiring stuff on the subscribed instances, but block filters also seem to work for communities - honestly, thats what I mainly use as instance blocks seem too overboard. Overtly sexist or ageist instances get blocked tho.
I don’t block anything. I just subscribed to a lot of instances that I thought looked interesting or fun.
That was also my initial strategy, until I had the idea of separating politics and less annoying stuff into different accounts - block lists pretty much helped with that.
Thanks for recommending lemmy.ml 🚩
Welcome!
