Rocinante and the only reason I know is because of The Expanse.
One of my favorite fan theories is that the authors did not name the ship after the horse from don quixote directly. There is a Rush song called Cygnus X-1 that’s basically a space opera and the ship in that song is called the Rocinate, and one of the authors of The Expanse is a huge rush fan. So in my mind that is where the ships name comes from.
I also learned it from Rush, hell yeah!
I only know it because it’s the name of my best friends horse. He played the violin at our wedding
What a talented horse
Smart horse
I love that the guys say something like “it means war horse”. Rocinante is a word play with “Rocin antes”. Rocin being an old weak horse unfit for serious work and. ‘antes’ is the spanish word for ‘before’.
americans wrote it. it has to be ‘bad ass’.
americans can’t understand irony. too dumb.
From the book:
Holden punched the comm system on the wall. “Well, crew, welcome aboard the gas freighter Rocinante.”
“What does that name even mean?” Naomi said after he let go of the comm button.
“It means we need to go find some windmills,” Holden said over his shoulder as he headed to the lift.
James Holden is a very Don Quixote-like character. Try harder.
they are talking about the TV show.
try harder.
the book sucked balls anyway. I read it. TV show cut out all the whiny young adult self-reflect bullshit that filled like 40% of the pages and was far superior. sci-fi doesn’t need anymore whiny protagonists, save that for anime.
You seem really mad at the world
Edit: You know it’s a 9 book series, right? And Holden is supposed to be a joke?
Yeah, i read 2 of the books and had the 3rd purchases before I gave up, because it was so stupid and dumb. felt like I was reading teenage fan fiction of the tv show.
I’m mad at stupid bullshit, and the world consists of a lot of stupid bullshit and stupid bullshit people and their celebrations of how stupid and bullshitty they are.
Don Quixote however, is fantastic. But people who like the expanse are almost never going to read a legit serious novel like that, because it would be too hard for them. Like remembering the name of the horse was for Anon.
I hope one day you’re able to find out what’s making you so angry. I went through a phase of taking myself too seriously, and only reading “serious” literature, only listening to music that was “pure” enough, etc… Then I figured out that sometimes you mix a little comfort food into your diet of fine dining, and life gets a little brighter. It’s not about stopping being critical, but looking at the why and what that criticism covers.
Corporate bullshit sucks, and always will. But a series of books written by a couple of (previously) nobodies just seems like a strange target for this much ire. Totally fine if its not your jam, though.
That’s a shitty question though. Totally irrelevant to the meat of the story, and definitely not a proof someone read the whole thing and thought about it.
Welcome to the school system
Questions like that are good to know if somebody read the thing. You don’t get details in resumes.
No, it isn’t.
Most people will not retain the name of an animal that doesn’t speak. The horse has zero impact on the story, and only serves as a piece of Quixote’ personality signifiers
I would say Rocinante helps early in the story, with understanding the depth of Quixote’s delusion.
Whilst in reality Rocinante is an old workhorse; in the delusion of Don Quixote, Rocinante is a grand charger fit for a knight of the highest order.
Helping to illustrate the core of the story; Don Quixote is applying a veneer of importance and significance over the top of reality. Rocinante is a reflection of the Don himself.
I agree with the role Rocinante plays for sure.
I just don’t think that makes the name of the horse a good question. It’s like asking the name of John Wick’s dog. The whole movie hinges on the dog, but what name it has is irrelevant.
The point of reading something like Don Quixote isn’t the names. Even Pancho’s name is barely important. Hell, I’d even argue that the fact we’re talking about Don Quixote rather than Alonso Quixano even illustrates that names aren’t exactly the prime bit of information that matters.
Now, it is hard to discuss the story without factoring in name changes. Aldonza/Dulcinea in specific is maybe the biggest symbol of what the Don is experiencing, and the underlying theme of the story. But the specific names? It’s just a bad question for a high school English teacher to ask a student.
My reasoning is that, no matter what else is retained, names only serve as a point of reference in damn near all literature. When an early exposure to old school, classical literature is happening, the student is going to already be learning three or four things at once, and memorizing the name of a non dialogue character doesn’t serve do achieve that learning, or even test how much that student retained.
You’ve got them trying to learn how to read critically, how to read archaic styles, how to retain important factors, and how to express what they’ve picked up. The name of an animal that’s essentially stage dressing akin to the sword or armor? That’s entirely the wrong question.
What would be a good one is, “what does Quixote’s horse symbolize?” Or even, “what do you think about his horse?”. Both would get the student thinking rather than trying to just pull up a word that’s arbitrary.
At highschool I once have question about a colour of house the main character of the centain book bougth. Native language lessons sucks. After elementary school it is just waste of time.
only remember the name because of The Expanse
But if you pronounce it like the show, every Spanish speaker has the right to whoop your ass just once
If that principle applied throughout history, anglophones would have evolved either an armored ass or no ass at all. I believe they are pathologically incapable of grasping the phonology of foreign languages. Just ask any native English speaker the name of the Soviet Union’s general secretary that succeeded Stalin and preceded Brezhnev… realistically, nine out of ten will have no idea, and the remaining one will say he was some “cruise chef”.
i’m an anglophone that has studied 6 languages.
we’re arrogant idiots who think foreign languages don’t exist, and shouldn’t exist if they are hard to pronounce. we’d rather make fun of them for being ‘weird’ than actually… learn and appreciate them.
but i at the same time most every country phonetized foreign names to make them pronounceable in the native language. Russians change the pronunciation/spelling of many foreign words to russify them.
Tbh I don’t remember more than 2 character names per story. If a chapter contains more than two actors then I am totally confused who those persons were and their relationships and such…
Same experience with a really old German book. He wanted to know the color of the hat one of the side characters was wearing. I had no clue, after investing so much time into trying to understand it. That kinda made me give up - why try to participate when the outcome is the same as if I didn’t?
this entire thread is full of dumb takes but this is one of the dumbest
Someone gets cynical and disillusioned of the school system, after their efforts amount to nothing, because of a bad teacher. How is that a dumb take?
because if one bad teacher ruined your entire education, you’re the idiot. likely a vastly emotionally immature one at that.
everyone has bad teachers dude. we also have good ones, and mediocre ones. smart and mature human beings… let it go. miserable stupid ones sit there and stew and are still angry 20 years later about that one embarrass moment… and also blame all their current ‘failures’ on it. ‘oh if only mr handface had not asked me that question in 10th grade English 20 years ago, i’d be a successful music producer!’ yeah… right.
but this is peak american entitlement. ‘one teacher was mean to me once and i hate school forever and ever’ like… i mean that’s who the american president is… so yeah peak american. we’re a culture of entitled whiny cunts who appreciate nothing an whine about everything and are so egotistical we can’t admit that maybe we were a bad student.
ironically… the teachers i liked best were the ones everyone else HATED. why… because they actaully wanted students to learn. The popular teachers people liked were the ‘fun’ ones who gave everyone As and never actually taught you anything… almost like children want their education to be junk food because it tastes better than broccoli.
You, uh, hold a lot of anger and hatred for someone trying to advise others how to “get over it”.
you call it ‘anger and hatred’
i call it ‘logic’ and ‘reality’. And all well-documented and observable things in the world.
But it’s ok, that’s why I liked the teachers people HATED. Because those teachers… focused on reality, hard work, and actually learing stuff. Not making people feel good about themselves.
And it’s true, I notice people who are entirely focused only on feeling good, seem to think I am a very hostile and angry person. And peopel who are more concerned about things other than just their own personal pleasure, don’t interpret me that way.
Almost as if folks are terrified of reality because it might make them feel bad about themselves…
if one bad teacher ruined your entire education, you’re the idiot
I sort of agree with this (with the exception of a teacher bullying someone), but I would not call a kid idiot, for that. Even a lot of adults cannot do that sort of self-reflection, it is unreasonable to expect it from an immature child. That is one reason, why teachers bear such huge responsibility, as to a kid even a minor thing can be world-shattering. They do not yet have the life experience, to know or understand better, and that is not them being idiots, but being children.
Also, that was not really what the original comment even said. It sounds very reasonable, to feel like giving up, after a bad experience like that. But they make no claims, that it had ruined their whole education.(About the USA’s school system or cultural things around that, I cannot comment, since as someone from the other side of the ocean, I have no fucking clue how it really is.)
the reason our education system is so awful is our expectations of children are so low. Americans have bought into this narrative that children are ultra fragile and well that’s what we have made them. it’s not the teacher’s job to raise children, it’s the parents. the teachers job is to teach them.
other countries don’t treat their children this way, and shocker, their children are far more resilient and self-reliant. we teach our children to be helpless, and we end up with helpless adults who never mature. maturity is learning from your mistakes, not feeling forever defined by them.
the original comment was a dumbass being a dumbass and being butt-hurt over his own stupidity. it’s all bullshit anyway, nobody who actually reads don Quixote reads it in two days. it’s a 1000 page dense novel. maybe you OP read Harry Potter 5, which is also 1000 pages, but it is so shallow you can read the whole thing in like 3-5 hours.
if you read don quixote in two days you’re a definitely a retard.
like going to France and ordering McDonalds.
fucking Americans.
The very first thing I’d do after stepping in a foreign country is try the fast food there. It’s fun to see different countries’ takes on American junk food. There will be plenty of time to try the local cuisine, but first, I want to see what it’s like to eat a McSpaghetti, or a Whopper with five patties and a bun made out of mozzarella sticks!
Did that in S China. McD’s servers a “Cup of Corn” (nibblets) as a side like french fries. Its wildly popular. Also they had Pineapple snack pies but they called them “Pine Pies”
My wife and I went to India with a mission to try as much different food as possible.
For the most part, India delivered but one day we decided to try a place that “Lonely Planet” recommended as the hot dining option for young people in the area. It turned out to be a Tex-Mex diner.
You know how people complain about American’s screwing up foreign (including Indian) food? India can give as good as it gets. We asked to get their most popular items and they were all huge misses. The quesadilla tasted like the chef had once seen a picture of a quesadilla and rolled with it.
yeah but the locals wouldn’t know the difference.
Most of them. I assume they also have some well-traveled food snobs that make fun of it when their friends suggest it.
"Man that Texmex joint sucks. You can only get authentic tortillas in Tijuana. "
if I make them at home, but i’m white, does that make them automatically non-authentic? do i have to be a 5’2" mexican grandma living in poverty to make them taste extra good?
Great question.
If your dark enough you may just be able to pass as Mexican. I’m half Chinese and that seems to be good enough for a lot of people to guess that I’m Mexican.
If your white white you may need some extra steps for True Authenticity ™. You should probably buy whole corn kernels directly from a fair trade farm in Yucatan and hand grind it in a traditional mortar and pestel. If you don’t get blisters, it won’t taste right.
sounds like a hobby.
Huh?
Classy, I figure you can read the whole of Ulysses in total of 17 minutes?
Douche!
No dickwattles. 17 days. Reading should take time.
Idiots all over here being ‘hrr i cannon rememburrs the bookz i readz’ yeah, because you don’t actaully read, you just skim.
reading takes effort, and i understand most of you are unwilling to make an effort in anything other than calling shit fake and gay.
Anon feels like a dumbass because anon is a dumbass, and like every dumbass is butthurt someone pointed out how dumb they were. Rather than being like ‘hey maybe I should ahve paid attention to this book I read instead of being a retard’.
Sounds like a skill issue.
Technically, if you do that you’ll be doing the same as a lot of locals. People love their “Mac Do” (for some reason).
Immerse yourself in the local culture (and have a beer at the local Mc D, assuming that’s still a thing, I’m not really sure).
Again, american. French people eat there sometimes, doens’t mean they eat there all the time.
The point is americans go to another country to ‘expereince the culture’ and then systematically avoid doing so at all costs.
Just like anon tries to ‘read’ a 800 page novel by not actually reading it, and then gets called out by their teacher who knows anon is a tryhard who didn’t even know what the horse is called. sort of like saying you ran a marathon by running mile 1 and mile 25 and you road a car from mile 2 to mile 24. it’s totally the same thing as running 26 miles! right!
at least the lit teacher didn’t ask anon to blow him. if i’d been his teacher i would have, seen that anon is a useless idiot and that’s all he’d be good for in my class and i suppose the lit teacher only likes him because he’s pretty. maybe has a whole Death in Venice thing going for him.
fake: anon’s lit teacher liked him because he was a smarty
gay: anon’s teacher liked him because he was submissive dumb 'lil bitch
americans go to another country to ‘expereince the culture’
Eeeehhhh… More or less.
Anyway you can’t experience that much in the few days most US people have available. Remember that they have to go to London, Paris and possibly the Riviera, Rome, some place in Germany, and maybe two or three other places, all in the one or two weeks that they can spend in Europe before their boss requires their presence back behind their keyboard. It’s a vacation of sorts, but it’s also a game of tag.Faced with so many changing vistas, they are bound to give up and enter a Mc D at some point. You would do the same, except that when you go abroad, you can just stay somewhere for a month and actually see a country if you like (assuming you can afford to, but then, visiting Belgium is fine too). So anyway, what I mean is that you have to account for the culture shock, which exists for them, although I’m not sure visiting a foreign Mc D will attenuate that. Because they are probably way more foreign than they’ll likely expect.
No they don’t? What are you talking about?
