So basically the DM created a world with a natural disaster incoming, and the players decided to instead destroy the indigenous nation, install a new puppet leader that adheres to Western values and voting rights, and ensure gay marriage is legalized even though homosexuality was tolerated in this society, just marriage was a civil and financial issue and not necessarily related.
Who’s worse? The DM, or the imperialist players?
Literally doing the same shit the CIA would, and people wonder why this shit happens. It’s a bunch of fucks who think that their Western values translate to every culture and is more important than respecting their sovereignty.
“The population rising up against authority and for social progress is clearly colonialism from beyond the force wall”, is certainly one of the takes of all time.
“Local leftist decides that gay people shouldn’t have human rights because gay human rights don’t comport with the social progress related to non-western societies” is my favorite example of horseshoe theory in action. Please never break containment.
Nah, according to lemmy politics I’m right wing nazi who wants to kill/convert all gay people. because I read the harry potter books 10 years ago. You got it wrong.
but please feel free to mischaracterize everything I said however it makes you feel most morally superior? you got that part right.
your inability to see the world from other perspectives than your own personal one is your problem, not mine. one of the core beliefs of identity politics is that this isn’t possible at all, which is why people who believe in it literally can’t comprehend anyone else who is different than them culturally or socially as anything other than evil. because their tribe is the only good people in all of the world.
Also if we step out of that for a second, I was confused that some people in the comments were mad at the DM/narrator of this story. The question of whether he’s the one being an obtuse meanie is really down to what the groups’ dynamics are;
do they know each other well enough to completely goof off his premise and instead have a meme campaign? Then DM is wrong.
are they meeting for the first or second time? Then they’re disregarding the work DM did to plan a campaign, and are in the wrong.
It feels pretty shit when you just want to share something with people and they sideline or walk over it for something else.
That’s why your interpretation works really well - much like the CIA they are disrupting an existing culture/status-quo and betraying the trust first shown towards them, when fostering a reciprocal relationship could be more effective to achieving their goals. Meta-Imperialism
How dare you infer I have no whimsy. Motherfucker I am chock full of whimsy and joy.
What is more whimsical, enjoying a fresh new world for what it is and exploring it and accepting their differences that you may not fully understand, or asking if it has gay marriage and democracy and destroying it if it does not already reflect your neoliberal values?
Just because neoliberals tolerate gay people doesn’t mean that gay rights are inherently neoliberal. Democracy, maybe, but we don’t know if they were doing elections with unlimited campaign spending by property owners or if they were voting in workers’ councils. Classical Athens, the United States, the PRC, the DPRK, and the Republic of Ireland all have/had democracies in some sense, but they vary massively in implementation, and anyone who calls all of those neoliberal is either very confused or not being sincere.
Furthermore, trying to change the world is central to nearly any RPG. A crusade to obtain human rights doesn’t prohibit whimsy or enjoyment, but when you do the fantasy equivalent of traveling to modern Gaza to organize a festival, you shouldn’t be terribly surprised when you get a bad ending regardless of whether you accomplish your goal.
Also, there’s no indication that the player characters were outsiders in the first place. You’re characterizing them as invaders, but this could have been an internal proletarian uprising.
Wild coming from the guy who is literally following me around to downvote and harass me across different threads/posts/communities. The guy who scrolled my whole profile to downvote every post is calling “me” toxic…
Its cute that you removed some after I pointed it out because you realized it was actually ToS violation… but you did do that. Just like how you’re stalking me in this thread too. That’s what you’re doing.
Yea? Got a cap of that? No? Because it didnt happen?
You know admins can see DMs, right? So fabricating some malicious DM is pretty moot. And its wild that this is the length you’re willing to go to attack a person who has done nothing to you. Just getting your kicks by being massively toxic.
So basically the DM created a world with a natural disaster incoming, and the players decided to instead destroy the indigenous nation, install a new puppet leader that adheres to Western values and voting rights, and ensure gay marriage is legalized even though homosexuality was tolerated in this society, just marriage was a civil and financial issue and not necessarily related.
Who’s worse? The DM, or the imperialist players?
Literally doing the same shit the CIA would, and people wonder why this shit happens. It’s a bunch of fucks who think that their Western values translate to every culture and is more important than respecting their sovereignty.
“The population rising up against authority and for social progress is clearly colonialism from beyond the force wall”, is certainly one of the takes of all time.
you realize the main justification for colonialism was ‘we will bring our culture and values to these backwards societies’, right?
it’s only social progress to you.
And is it social progress to you for a society to allow gay people to have civil rights?
social progress is relative to the social goals.
for a western society? yeah, for non-western societies? no.
the problem is everyone assumes ‘society’ must believe in the western ideals of individualistic freedom. there is no reason it must or should.
plenty of people have ideals that are not about freedom, they are about control. for those folks, gay civil rights are anti-progress.
“Local leftist decides that gay people shouldn’t have human rights because gay human rights don’t comport with the social progress related to non-western societies” is my favorite example of horseshoe theory in action. Please never break containment.
Nah, according to lemmy politics I’m right wing nazi who wants to kill/convert all gay people. because I read the harry potter books 10 years ago. You got it wrong.
but please feel free to mischaracterize everything I said however it makes you feel most morally superior? you got that part right.
your inability to see the world from other perspectives than your own personal one is your problem, not mine. one of the core beliefs of identity politics is that this isn’t possible at all, which is why people who believe in it literally can’t comprehend anyone else who is different than them culturally or socially as anything other than evil. because their tribe is the only good people in all of the world.
We don’t know the player’s characters aren’t indigenous.
Found the tankie
Are they wrong? Aside from the CIA doing it for oil instead of cultural values?
Oh, please. The CIA would never interfere because of social values. If there is oil involved, or the interests of a big American company, though…
I really like your interpretation
Also if we step out of that for a second, I was confused that some people in the comments were mad at the DM/narrator of this story. The question of whether he’s the one being an obtuse meanie is really down to what the groups’ dynamics are;
It feels pretty shit when you just want to share something with people and they sideline or walk over it for something else.
That’s why your interpretation works really well - much like the CIA they are disrupting an existing culture/status-quo and betraying the trust first shown towards them, when fostering a reciprocal relationship could be more effective to achieving their goals. Meta-Imperialism
what a wild and cynical world you must live in. Just divorced from any joy or whimsy… have fun making everyone around you feel awkward…
How dare you infer I have no whimsy. Motherfucker I am chock full of whimsy and joy.
What is more whimsical, enjoying a fresh new world for what it is and exploring it and accepting their differences that you may not fully understand, or asking if it has gay marriage and democracy and destroying it if it does not already reflect your neoliberal values?
Just because neoliberals tolerate gay people doesn’t mean that gay rights are inherently neoliberal. Democracy, maybe, but we don’t know if they were doing elections with unlimited campaign spending by property owners or if they were voting in workers’ councils. Classical Athens, the United States, the PRC, the DPRK, and the Republic of Ireland all have/had democracies in some sense, but they vary massively in implementation, and anyone who calls all of those neoliberal is either very confused or not being sincere.
Furthermore, trying to change the world is central to nearly any RPG. A crusade to obtain human rights doesn’t prohibit whimsy or enjoyment, but when you do the fantasy equivalent of traveling to modern Gaza to organize a festival, you shouldn’t be terribly surprised when you get a bad ending regardless of whether you accomplish your goal.
Also, there’s no indication that the player characters were outsiders in the first place. You’re characterizing them as invaders, but this could have been an internal proletarian uprising.
You missed the Six Nations, and to try to call them neoliberal would be absolutely WILD.
Why are you popping up everywhere insulting people for no reason
Wild coming from the guy who is literally following me around to downvote and harass me across different threads/posts/communities. The guy who scrolled my whole profile to downvote every post is calling “me” toxic…
No I didnt lmao
Yea… ya did.
Its cute that you removed some after I pointed it out because you realized it was actually ToS violation… but you did do that. Just like how you’re stalking me in this thread too. That’s what you’re doing.
Lol you just accused someone else of the same thing in another thread
Edit: Whoa! Retaliating by DMing me butthole pics? Wtf??
Yea? Got a cap of that? No? Because it didnt happen?
You know admins can see DMs, right? So fabricating some malicious DM is pretty moot. And its wild that this is the length you’re willing to go to attack a person who has done nothing to you. Just getting your kicks by being massively toxic.
Thanks for the tip! Reported ☺