cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/46578520
http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/prompt-3
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Back when I was in art school, we believed in this with all our hearts.
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AI will never want to be fucked, therefore AI can never create art.
What about ace people?
I think a much more universial example would be that AI will never desire garlic bread
How about AI will never want to be loved?
The key is needing to impress people to convince them to feel a certain way about you, something that garlic bread does not capture.
People make art for themselves all the time.
Self love
Observes art from an arm’s length.
Nope, I’m still a piece of shit.
Welp, maybe you strive for self love?
Yes. I sometimes make negative comments as a way of laughing at myself. Basing your self worth on any skill is a trap a lot of people fall into, are sometimes pushed into.
Wait, what did you say?
What about porn chatbots you prompted to really want to be fucked? 🤔
They’re faking it.
Literally
Not really. They would need to have consciousness and drives to be faking it. The models are predicting what words would have the highest likelihood of being used in response to you telling them to tell you they want to be fucked.
Also if they were capable of evolving into something thinking, they’d probably actually be the robot version of horny
Heck yeah they would
To be fair, AI managed to fuck me today with Microslop’s GPU availability being rubbish. Not every GPU needs to be used for forcing copilot on random office workers ffs, some people need them for things that aren’t LLMs.
AI will never want to be fucked
There are people out there who’ll be devastated to hear their future sexbot doesn’t really desire them.
Remember, AI cannot hold a copyright. That AI art you created? No you didn’t, AI did and it’s basically public domain.
Well, its “skill” was built on public domain or via piracy, so its result should be public domain too.
Hell, my interpretation of the “derivative works” clause of GPL stipulates that all llm and genai products should also be gpl.
Hell, my interpretation of the “derivative works” clause of GPL stipulates that all llm and genai products should also be gpl.
…an interpretation broad enough to cover that would also mean that anyone who has ever seen GPL code before would only ever be able to write GPL code ever again. The idea of which I imagine would give Richard Stallman an erection you could see from space,
It’s different when a human does it accident than when companies build a licence laundering machine
That’s close to the actual intention. Most MIT rewrites of GPL projects don’t accept contributions from people familiar with the original codebase.
I’m still convinced that being unable to copyright its output was always part of idea of laundering the stolen data fed in. This way it effectively self sabotages the copyrights of every company and individual using it.
So if I could convince a model to do a frame-by-frame recreation of a specific movie, maybe change a detail here or there, then I could distribute that movie without violating copyright?
I would suspect it would end in a similar manner to reverse engineering code, if you get a description of the whole film without specific products or actors, then recreate from that, then yes. But if you directly compare the scenes and make corrections to the output to make them closer, then no.
But you’ll have to do it and get sued anyway so the courts can rule on it.
So what? What if i just want to create and share
You’re not really creating anything.
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One of my core memories is the shy girl in my photography class at community college complementing the pictures I took of my cat.
One of life’s great victories.
AI can make a picture, it can’t make value. I have seen some decent looking AI generated images, but there is absolutely no value to them.
Like copying a jpg and calling yourself an artist.
The standard to qualify as art is very low. The standard to qualify as worth looking at is much higher.
I’m printing and framing this
…need to impress the shy girl…
For some, sure. Creating art means many different things to many different people, but it always means something. Generated content has no meaning. It’s just output.
Art is about creating emotion. AI art does create emotions/feelings (hate, anger, nausea, etc).
So does posting a giant pile of diarrhea.
There have in fact been very successful art installations involving human waste and feces.
Cow bingo is art.
Or installing a urinal as an exhibit in an art museum? That one was pretty famous.
It also had commentary behind it with more depth than “press button to receive art”.
guess what a prompt is
‘I want my waifu pic to have enormous tits’ is not artistic commentary and slop isn’t art 👍
I take back my other fucking comment.
The actual context is more damning. Bro, they are out here taping bananas to walls and selling certificates of reproduction. It’s literally “give money to get banana”. We should be so lucky if someone instead told a computer they liked waifus with
bigenormous tits and we put that in a museum, at least there’s some human desire in there other than “MONEY LAUNDERING TIME! SURE DUCT TAPE BANANAS”yes, and “I got paid $300 to take a photo of this model with enormous tits” is 100% the highest art.
If a human made it with a vision then it’s art. AI is a wishing well.
My lactose intolerance finally makes sense.
No, no, you see AI artists do have intent to impress.
It’s just that instead of impressing the girl in art class and maybe bumping genitals, they want to impress the 4chan mob and maybe get up votes.
Considering how 4chan is, a more likely outcome is that you’re getting called at least 3 different slurs because someone will either hate the slop, or perceive your insecurity about being unable to do art and decide to attack you.
Power of boners.
If they don’t respect the art enough to properly create it, then I’m not going to respect it either.
As we all know, nobody finds any value in things made by robots.
Now excuse me while I go drive my human manufactured car on the hand-paved streets into fantasyland.
Ah yes, we use cars and therefore AI slop is art.
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most of the anti AI people are just as annoying as that.
Okay clanker.
They’re right though, of course
It’s a counterproductive argument, though. I think it’s much better if anti-AI people are the loudest. Even pro-AI zealots should prefer if most people are loudly anti-AI.
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Prose: Art
Prose ran through a machine : NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT’S NOT HECKING ART!Fuck the AI companies but come on man.
That’s not the same thing at all though? When you provide a prompt to an AI, you’re basically just feeding it instructions on what to make. I don’t think anyone would ever refer to an instruction manual as art.
AI doesn’t “make” anything. It steals. All you get when you prompt an AI, is a poor copy of an original piece that it was trained on. Otherwise, you’re completely correct.
This represents such an entirely wrong idea of what’s going on that it’s almost hilarious. The model doesn’t just have an internal database of all the training data that it, like, collages together. Holy fuck, if a model internally contained all of the training data in a form it could simply be retrieved from it would be far more valuable as data compression than anything else it might be or do.
What’s much closer is that an image generation model has seen millions of pictures, each labeled with metadata about what it is a picture of, each of which causes tiny adjustments to the neural networks weights, because the model is being trained to be able to look at a novel picture and recognize “this picture is of a dog pissing on an apple tree”. Any model that can do that can also be run in reverse - essentially “here is a block of white noise I am saying is supposed to be a really noisy picture of a dog pissing on an apple tree, try to clean up the noise and show me how it looks like a dog pissing on an apple tree”, then run that in a loop until the picture doesn’t change much between iterations. It doesn’t need to have seen something precisely identical to what it’s generating - with enough training data it has an internal model for things like dogs, clowns or what makes something look like anime and the generation just tickles the bits until the picture rates as probably being what’s being asked for.
It isn’t wrong, it’s a simplification. You REALLY like the smell of your own farts, huh?
I don’t think anyone would ever refer to an instruction manual as art.
Grandma’s cookbook?
“Fuck the AI companies but…”
Love it when shills try to make their take seem reasonable.
That’s right, I’m Mr OpenAI and I’m here to say, having your privacy violated through backdoors is A-OK!
Color does not matter, said the blind man.
Go listen to Skullgrid
What is it and can I have a link?
It’s an album by the prog-metal band “Behold the Arctopus”
And listening to it (or more realistically, reading the lyrics) will convince me of what exactly?
No idea. The guy who suggested you listen to it, seems to think it’s the best album ever, tho- considering he named himself after it.
So I will learn about this user at least, but I’m struggling to find the motivation.
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