Yeah. Also, someone has to take care of these older people.
Like, putting myself as an example, my mom is in his 60s, and has plenty of aches and pains, suffers from spine, carpal tunnel, hip problems, hypotension, stomach sensitivity and can be depressive.
My heart would break if I just abandoned her for the sake of “independency”. That’s not independency, that’s being a fucking asshole.
Yeah, that’s why that’s a career for many people. Because most of us don’t have the ability or skills to do that, so we pay someone who does to do it.
Why would I subject my mother to my shitty care, when I can pay a professional who has trained and worked with elder care their entire life who is really really good at it, and therefore she has a WAY higher quality of life in that home, than she’d ever have with me? She’s be utterly fucking miserable living with me and me with her. I also literally don’t have the time to be changing her diapers 6x a day, because I have a full time job and other responsibilities.
But right, anyone who treats their parents well by giving them excellent elder care from a professional is a fucking asshole, right. Why not force her to sit in her own shit 10 hours a day while I’m at my job.
Thanks, but hey what do I know, apparently since I spend years helping with my mothers care, managing her money, fixing her legal mistakes, etc and not having her live with me in a 2 bed apartment and quitting my job to be her nurse and live in poverty with her… I’m a awful terrible person…
Yeah, but they need way more than fucking physical cares, and still you can fucking hire a proffesional in caregiving to assist her in the house, without having to let her fucking alone.
Psychological cares greatly involves having a sane relationship with your cared ones, and that means fucking keeping them company and not send them anywhere else like they’re fucking trouble to get rid of.
Plus, you’re still talking from the priviledge that you can simply hire someone. Someone of us just can’t do it because we barely can buy food, and we are the fucking majority of the world population.
Seems that way, doesn’t it? They want me to send my parents to a care home that provides way way shittier care than we can (I’ve seen it firsthand). Oh and they steal the inheritance. Oh, and I’m the loser for finding a living situation that serves everyone in it
oh, sorry do you have a professional nursing license? can you administer drugs, do physical therapy, do psych evals, and all that on top of feeding and wiping up parents asses for them because they are regressing to infanthood?
so amazing of you, they must be proud with your multiple professional medical accolades.
can you administer drugs, do physical therapy, do psych evals, and all that on top of feeding and wiping up parents asses for them because they are regressing to infanthood?
Yes? If your mom’s doctor/nurses didn’t walk you through the processes, they failed both of you.
And you’re some dude who rages at people online because you hate your life?
maybe you should take that rage and turn it into something productive my dude. self-pity isn’t a productive activity and your indulgence in it only make your life worse, and your moms. maybe work out, volunteer, etc. you have enough money apparently to have an active internet connection? dunno where you live but where I live a ISP fee can easily be $100+ and that’s enough food for one person for a few weeks.
call it privileged all you want. as far as I’m concerned I busted my ass my entire life and now I get to chill and enjoy the fruits and comfort of my hard-labor that many of my peers refused to engaged in. and i’m laughing it all up.
you could also have spend your time raging here on applying for jobs, or getting job counseling or million other things to improve your life. but it’s your choice to not do that. crash out online all you want i guess.
You have zero reading comprehension. You don’t even try to understand a damn word I say, you just use damn fallacies, like the ad hominem you just threw at me, and you talk about it? Above you use the classic straw man fallacy, attacking the fact that although I am poor I have the internet because you know that my argument is correct. Pathetic.
I am from Venezuela, where the minimum wage is between $0.17 and $0.25. The Minimum Comprehensive Indexed Income, as the corrupt narco-government of my shitty country calls it, is $240, basically composed of bonuses they give to those they like. $740 is the basic basket.
If in my house we pay for internet, it is because it is suicide not to have it: work, studies, banking, procedures, everything is digitalized. On top of that, I study Computer Engineering and work as a music producer. Guess what? Two of the industries most affected by AI. I hardly see any offers, even if my work is good, because people prefer to pay an AI company that steals my data and my creations (and those of billions of people like me). For all this, not only do I earn much less than $100 a month, but I am lucky to get a job every six months. Right now I’ve been out of work even longer than that, even though I search and search. I have the right then to want to shut up damned bastards like you, who are better off dead, that would do a huge good to the world.
Right, if only other people would die, your life would be magically better.
It’s other people existing that is ruining your life… not your choice to be a ‘music producer’ and having that blow up in your face… no it’s that AI stole your career from you. Do you also DJ as a side gig?
Why not force her to sit in her own shit 10 hours a day while I’m at my job.
She has the same ability to get up out of her shit and improve her situation that her kids did at 18, depending on upbringing.
A lot of these sorts of discussions seem to center around an implicit social contract that people don’t realize they’re agreeing to on a minute by minute basis. It sort of works like a pension where the company goes bankrupt. Now everyone who was depending on it starts from scratch and all the investment (time, karma) is gone.
what the fuck are you talking about? elders require care because they can’t care for themselves. they regress into infancy as they age and their body/mind deteriorates. my mother had dementia and was nothing more than drolling infant before she died and she lived in taht state for over a year. and the facility she was in was full of people in various states of failing health that required professional care.
80 year olds can’t improve their situation, they are slowly dying.
Yeah. Also, someone has to take care of these older people. Like, putting myself as an example, my mom is in his 60s, and has plenty of aches and pains, suffers from spine, carpal tunnel, hip problems, hypotension, stomach sensitivity and can be depressive. My heart would break if I just abandoned her for the sake of “independency”. That’s not independency, that’s being a fucking asshole.
Yeah, that’s why that’s a career for many people. Because most of us don’t have the ability or skills to do that, so we pay someone who does to do it.
Why would I subject my mother to my shitty care, when I can pay a professional who has trained and worked with elder care their entire life who is really really good at it, and therefore she has a WAY higher quality of life in that home, than she’d ever have with me? She’s be utterly fucking miserable living with me and me with her. I also literally don’t have the time to be changing her diapers 6x a day, because I have a full time job and other responsibilities.
But right, anyone who treats their parents well by giving them excellent elder care from a professional is a fucking asshole, right. Why not force her to sit in her own shit 10 hours a day while I’m at my job.
Hi, I’m just saying sorry for having to take care of a parent. It’s a lot of work and something many of us have to face someday.
Thanks, but hey what do I know, apparently since I spend years helping with my mothers care, managing her money, fixing her legal mistakes, etc and not having her live with me in a 2 bed apartment and quitting my job to be her nurse and live in poverty with her… I’m a awful terrible person…
classic lemmy.
Yeah, but they need way more than fucking physical cares, and still you can fucking hire a proffesional in caregiving to assist her in the house, without having to let her fucking alone.
Psychological cares greatly involves having a sane relationship with your cared ones, and that means fucking keeping them company and not send them anywhere else like they’re fucking trouble to get rid of.
Plus, you’re still talking from the priviledge that you can simply hire someone. Someone of us just can’t do it because we barely can buy food, and we are the fucking majority of the world population.
So yeah, you’re a motherfucking asshole.
Seems that way, doesn’t it? They want me to send my parents to a care home that provides way way shittier care than we can (I’ve seen it firsthand). Oh and they steal the inheritance. Oh, and I’m the loser for finding a living situation that serves everyone in it
oh, sorry do you have a professional nursing license? can you administer drugs, do physical therapy, do psych evals, and all that on top of feeding and wiping up parents asses for them because they are regressing to infanthood?
so amazing of you, they must be proud with your multiple professional medical accolades.
Yes? If your mom’s doctor/nurses didn’t walk you through the processes, they failed both of you.
Based
And you’re some dude who rages at people online because you hate your life?
maybe you should take that rage and turn it into something productive my dude. self-pity isn’t a productive activity and your indulgence in it only make your life worse, and your moms. maybe work out, volunteer, etc. you have enough money apparently to have an active internet connection? dunno where you live but where I live a ISP fee can easily be $100+ and that’s enough food for one person for a few weeks.
call it privileged all you want. as far as I’m concerned I busted my ass my entire life and now I get to chill and enjoy the fruits and comfort of my hard-labor that many of my peers refused to engaged in. and i’m laughing it all up.
you could also have spend your time raging here on applying for jobs, or getting job counseling or million other things to improve your life. but it’s your choice to not do that. crash out online all you want i guess.
???
You have zero reading comprehension. You don’t even try to understand a damn word I say, you just use damn fallacies, like the ad hominem you just threw at me, and you talk about it? Above you use the classic straw man fallacy, attacking the fact that although I am poor I have the internet because you know that my argument is correct. Pathetic.
I am from Venezuela, where the minimum wage is between $0.17 and $0.25. The Minimum Comprehensive Indexed Income, as the corrupt narco-government of my shitty country calls it, is $240, basically composed of bonuses they give to those they like. $740 is the basic basket. If in my house we pay for internet, it is because it is suicide not to have it: work, studies, banking, procedures, everything is digitalized. On top of that, I study Computer Engineering and work as a music producer. Guess what? Two of the industries most affected by AI. I hardly see any offers, even if my work is good, because people prefer to pay an AI company that steals my data and my creations (and those of billions of people like me). For all this, not only do I earn much less than $100 a month, but I am lucky to get a job every six months. Right now I’ve been out of work even longer than that, even though I search and search. I have the right then to want to shut up damned bastards like you, who are better off dead, that would do a huge good to the world.
Right, if only other people would die, your life would be magically better.
It’s other people existing that is ruining your life… not your choice to be a ‘music producer’ and having that blow up in your face… no it’s that AI stole your career from you. Do you also DJ as a side gig?
She has the same ability to get up out of her shit and improve her situation that her kids did at 18, depending on upbringing.
A lot of these sorts of discussions seem to center around an implicit social contract that people don’t realize they’re agreeing to on a minute by minute basis. It sort of works like a pension where the company goes bankrupt. Now everyone who was depending on it starts from scratch and all the investment (time, karma) is gone.
https://issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons/
what the fuck are you talking about? elders require care because they can’t care for themselves. they regress into infancy as they age and their body/mind deteriorates. my mother had dementia and was nothing more than drolling infant before she died and she lived in taht state for over a year. and the facility she was in was full of people in various states of failing health that required professional care.
80 year olds can’t improve their situation, they are slowly dying.
This isn’t true of all old people.
Age alone can’t be used as the only determining factor for having the capability for independence at either end of the age spectrum.
it’s true of old people who need elder care.
fit and healthy old people don’t live with their families nor do they live in care facilities. they typically live alone because they can.