• Canaconda@lemmy.ca
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      18 days ago

      Upvoted but you really should take them at face value on the revelations talk. They’re not fucking joking.

      edit: JD might be lying (IMO he’s not) but his audience believe it 100% and they’re being stoked towards violence at the institutional level https://streamable.com/2yj2tj (Link valid until 41 hours after this post. Download and share plz)

      When I say take them at face value, it’s cuz we’re talking about people who literally believe God will call them to genocide you. IYKYK

      • Brave Little Hitachi Wand@feddit.uk
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        18 days ago

        He’s not talking about what he believes, he’s a nihilist. He’s saying what would have to be true to justify what he plans to do. Rolling coal, probably do some nuclear sabre rattling, do some ethnic cleansing sort of thing, you know.

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          18 days ago

          He’s not talking about what he believes, he’s a nihilist

          Respectfully disagree based on my personal experience being raised in a church that was very focused on revelations. IMO you’d have to grow up believing it yourself to understand.

          He’s saying what would have to be true to justify what he plans to do.

          Yea their logic is circular but I promise you they fucking believe this shit.

          Barring specific evidence to the contrary, both Occam & Halon’s razers apply here. It is both a simpler explanation that he believes the scriptures in his religion AND there is no malice required for stupidity to explain what he’s saying.

          I’m not saying JD is above lying to his followers and faking faith. But I am saying that I don’t think he’s smart enough to do that and he’s probably 100% serious.

          This revelations talk is conditioning them towards violence.

          https://streamable.com/2yj2tj

          • lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world
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            18 days ago

            you weren’t brought up by Peter Thiel, and probably didn’t go to Yale Law (no offense intended, most of us didn’t)

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              18 days ago

              Neither were the thousands to millions of christo-fascists currently being stoked toward violence. https://streamable.com/2yj2tj

              JD believing what he’s saying is irrelevant when his audience believes it. He uses coded language that has charged meanings in Christian circles.

              EoD smart americans should not assume dumb americans don’t believe that crap. Cuz they do.

              • lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world
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                17 days ago

                Of course, but that wasn’t the point.

                The point in question was that JD Vance very likely does not believe this bullshit, irrespective of what his followers believe or do

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                  17 days ago

                  that wasn’t the point.

                  But what is your point? You’ve contributed nothing to this conversation. I find your comments vapid and annoying.

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                    17 days ago

                    you said:

                    I’m not saying JD is above lying to his followers and faking faith. But I am saying that I don’t think he’s smart enough to do that and he’s probably 100% serious.

                    And I pointed out that being a Yale Law graduate and was brought into the fold by Peter Thiel himself.

                    So my point, to refute your original one: JD Vance is a liar who does not believe this crap. Regardless of what others believe. That is the whole of my argument.

                    The personal attacks are not necessary.

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      18 days ago

      Exactly. Vance says whatever he thinks will make him more popular. Always has, always will.

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        18 days ago

        Like I’m not moving the goalposts here, but JD believing what he’s saying is irrelevant. He’s using coded language that is well understood in Christian circles. https://streamable.com/2yj2tj (Link valid until 41 hours after this post. Download and share plz)

        My real point, as someone raised in those circles, is that you should really fucking believe them when they tell you who they are.

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          17 days ago

          And they’re also talking with a lot of people in Israel who really believe in that language too. Texas ain’t sending red heifers to Israel for beef.

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            17 days ago

            texas ain’t sending red heifers to Israel for beef.

            I’m almost afraid to ask but what new hell is this?

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              17 days ago

              Long story short, a perfect red heifer is needed to purify clergy in order for the 3rd temple to be consecrated. The only problem is that there’s kinda an important mosque sitting where that temple would be.

              Mike Johnson also all tied up in this.