This is from a regularly scheduled Everglades Bike Club weekend ride in Key Biscayne, USA, on a 10km stretch of road, and all the drivers know to expect it will be there in the mornings.
Devils advocate theres a pregnant woman in the backseat but also a hijacker has planted a bomb in the car and if they go under 50mph the car blows up
Is this an officially sanctioned event that has been authorized to take over a whole road?
If not, slower traffic should keep to the right. Share the road. Don’t be a dick. It’s not hard.
Edit: just realized where I am. This could have all been avoided with better public transportation. Fuck cars.
Edit #2: as a society we should absolutely be building public transportation and protected bike lanes. However, there are a shocking number of people talking about “entitled” this and “entitled” that and have no idea what the actual laws are for sharing the road using the current existing infrastructure in this video.
This video appears to be an asshole in a car passing some assholes on bicycles.
Florida Statute § 316.081(3): On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed.
Florida Statute § 316.2065(5)(a): A person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing must ride in the bicycle lane or, if there is no bicycle lane on the roadway, as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway
Every cyclist in the left lane blocking the faster traffic should be written a ticket.
Unless they’ve gone through some kind of permitting process then they have no more moral ground than the street takeover assholes that go around shutting down roads to do donuts.
THANK YOU.
If an evernt is not officially sanctioned ? In my opinion ANYRHING, AND I MEAN ANYTHING, can happen in there and I wouldnt care. Unless there are kids there? I dont care for anyone there. Sorry. If anyone wants to hold a. massive event that will DEFINITELY clog up a public road or area? Yooooo you better fucking get that bitch approved first. Like the only massive public event that doesnt need to be approved is a massive public violent protest … and thats it.
I remember watching this one video of a guy who crashed died during one of those unofficial ‘street takeover’ events and he ended killing a few other people there who were happily watching it and also clogging up that road and the comments were so sad for them…
uhhhh…
I find it very hard to feel sad for adults who dont tell anyone that they will clog up the public areas that WE ALL PAY TAXES FOR, , intentionally clog up a road, drive their cars in circles at irrantionally dangerous speeds, race each other on unofficial race tracks , and then end up learning the valuable lesson that ‘Moving really quickly has never been a problem, its just the stopping really quickly.’
It’s actually sad to see how many people are on the side of a beligerant driver going offload because of their road rage. Comments blaming the cyclists for being unpredictable, unsafe, or unfair to other drivers couldn’t be further from the truth.
Cycling safety courses teach that you should stay together when riding as a group. Those saying they should’ve closed the road down are basically saying drivers can’t be trusted to handle having cyclists on the road, hence why the group is so clustered for protection.
Modern US society makes it so difficult to have a community. This video is just another example of how “personal liberty” can be used as a cudgel to force conformity.
BS. I’m a cyclists and a driver. Cyclists 100% can be unpredictable, not follow rules, while demanding rule following from others. They are developing a bad reputation for a reason.
It’s not an absolute. But generally once someone starts dressing in lycra, they stop being a reasonable person. I will always cycle in street clothes. I don’t care how many miles I do. I will never become a MAMIL (middle aged male in lycra). Because I like cycling, but cycling culture is getting wack.
I’m also a cyclist and driver. I can’t count how many times I’ve seen cyclists blatantly ignore stop lights, stop signs, and generally any other traffic law they want. It makes me scream in my car. They’re making cycling less safe for me by lowering public trust. Absolutely mental.
But generally once someone starts dressing in lycra, they stop being a reasonable person. I will always cycle in street clothes.
Do you wear a suit to the gym as well?
They don’t even realize they partake in car brained virtue signalling.
Internalized oppression all up in this thread.
I’d be cooler if you saw middle aged dudes in lycra as fellow cyclists who just do it a bit differently than you, rather than an outgroup to hate on behalf of someone else’s entitled interests.
I think we are interpreting the driver’s actions differently. He is giving them a ton of space, not honking and bullying his way through the bicyclists. IDK about you, but I feel like a hero when there’s an obstruction justifying adv tires.
“Ope, construction ahead, guess I have no choice but to detour across a mile of beautiful rolling hills. Good thing I prepared for this exact moment”
Going offload to get around a road obstruction in a controlled manner is fine by me. The video that OP uploaded was not this though. They were trying to get around a large group of people legally using the road by running through several pedestrian crossings, using the median to pass, and honking as they did (turn on the audio in the video).
This is just straight up road rage.
This is a divided highway with a speed limit of 45mph, those aren’t pedestrian crossings.
The beeping was “hey I’m here” beeping, not sustained “fuck you” honking.
I have learned to give a quick “hey I’m over here” beep when passing in the countryside after a motorbike pulled to the right and slowed down to let me pass, then suddenly swerved across the entire road, no indicator, directly in front of my bike.
There’s definitely pedestrian crossings involved here.
Regardless, this driver is obviously breaking dozens of traffic laws just to pass a group of people that are maybe going below the speed limit. If you don’t see the issue with that then I don’t think we really need to continue this conversation.
I break a dozen traffic laws every time I get on my bike, lets not pretend law is some arbitror of morality to avoid confronting the fact that what he did was harmless.
…If what they did was ‘harmless’ I want to see you cross that pedestrian crossing with your loved ones during the driver’s rampage.
ALSO breaking traffic laws in a laughably weak bicycle is NOTHING compared to the damage that a person could do when breaking traffic laws in a over 2 tonne metal death machine. Bruh a persom could easily kill like 40 people in 20 minutes if they broke every traffic law while driving inside it… OK now lets see how many people thst same person would kill if they broke every traffic law while riding on a bicycle … 🍿🤭
Don’t you think you’re being a bit hyperbolic?
There was not an “obstruction,” there was traffic. Would you be equally charitable if the road ahead had been congested with cars moving at the same speed? Somehow, I doubt it.
Would you be equally charitable if the road ahead had been congested with cars moving at the same speed?
Much more charitable, I regularly have to do similar manuvers on my motorbike to get around slow cars.
Actually I’d question why anyone would be bothered at all, at least with the bicycles, some people are afraid the driver will accidently veer across 15 feet of grass and drive into the bicyclists, which like I get it fear doesn’t have to be rational, but that’s not a safety concern if its other cars he was driving around.
You regularly offroad at high speed on a motorbike obviously not built for it, honking repeatedly while blasting over several pedestrian crossings, swerving all over the place?
Glad I don’t live near you.
Also of course it’s a fuckin safety issue if it’s cars too. You know what happens if you swerve into the side of a car? Nothing good ! Let alone one driving in tight packed formation with dozens of other cars
Where I live this is reckless endangerment and isn’t a “points on your licence” type infraction, it’s immediate “no more licence” and your car confiscated. As it should be.
And yes, this isn’t where I live. There are reasons I would never move to Florida.
motorbike obviously not built for it
You don’t need a purpose-built vehicle to drive on some grass, though the mini’s open diff honestly surprised me he didn’t have difficulty when there was 1 wheel on the pavement and 1 wheel on grass. Clearly the suspension is soft enough/has enough travel the designers considered the possibility that the car might not be on good roads.
My bike isn’t a dirtbike, but has adv tires instead of streets because of how frequently I have to ride offroad or on gravel roads or w/e.
honking repeatedly
Its usually a quick beep to let the person I am passing know where I am, I got hit when I didn’t do that last year and someone in the righthand lane decided to take an exit on the left as I was passing.
You know what happens if you swerve into the side of a car
Yes, at the speeds involved you get a small dent, maybe some scratched paint.
Where I live this is reckless endangerment
Who was in danger? The people 15 feet away from the car?
There are reasons I would never move to Florida.
I would never move back, but there are some things I miss.
That driver is obviously an idiot that needs his license revoked.
That said, as a fellow cyclist, you all need to do better as well. For this large an event, there should either be a road closure, or break it up into flights. If those aren’t feasible, restrict yourselves to one lane instead of taking up both. Not excusing the drivers carelessness at all, but judging from your reaction to other comments here, your ride group’s sense of entitlement is a problem as well.
No idea why that’s necessary. This is quite common in my country.
Allowed by law here, if you take certain precautions. Judging from the motorcycle, it seems this group also took precautions to keep the group safe.
It’s funny how you complain about entitlement.
I don’t have a dog in this race, so not really complaining about anything. I’m just pointing out that regardless of what’s legal, this is a failure of both safety and courtesy. Slower traffic stay to one side, let others go by.
The WHOLE conflict here is caused by entitlement. The cyclists think they are entitled to the whole road, through force of numbers, herd mentality, or whatever. The car feels entitled to drive how ever fast he wants and safety be damned. The car is obviously MORE in the wrong, but the whole situation could have been avoided.
At first I thought it’s a good idea. Now I think that maybe cars flying past may be a problem if something happens and someone falls or just swings out of lane, then it would require a bigger space, but cars will likely just think that this space could also be used and fill it.
On the other hand, I know nothing about how to organise these safely, and I’m always afraid of cars, so prefer to be on separate bike lanes whenever possible
Cars are constantly getting into bicyclist spaces, I never had so many close calls as when I was wearing high vis in the bike lanes. I swear they swerve to see how close they can get.
Sounds like you do indeed have a dog in this race. It’s crazy how cyclists can use the road in complete accordance of the law and be called entitled when a car is made to slow down behind them for a few minutes. No law is being broken here, the cyclists are in fact taking the full lane, as driver training and regulation suggest that they should. It’s for their own protection since, as you can see, Florida motorists can be complete psychopaths.
Seeing how wide the road is, there’s no reason to block the whole road in one direction. This doesn’t seem to be a competition, just a casual ride. Block a single lane then.
This is on the immediate approach to a short but narrow causeway where it would be in the group’s safety interest to not get broken up or pushed onto the gutter on the bridge.
Heaven forbid; not the whole road?!
I mean. They are using an entire thing when they don’t need to and other people also want to use the thing.
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Oh no, you’re getting to your destination marginally later. The tragedy.
Or we could, you know, share.
Try telling that to drivers in traffic. No car has ever moved out of my way on a bike and I’ve been cycling for decades.
They are sharing the road. Nobody is blocking the cars from using the road. They’re just upset they can’t go faster.
When one has to experience a moment without a privilege or entitlement they’ve become used to, it can feel to them like an grievous injury.
You don’t know the driver’s life. His wife could be in labor, he could be trying to visit a dying loved one, or rush home because he left the stove on.
Besides, it’s the law that slow moving traffic stay on the right side.
And stfu about safety. Do you how many alligators are in this video literally just off screen? At least 50.
Not sure what your point is. A traffic jam is way more common and then the driver would be completely stuck.
Clearly there’s also no legal issue, as OP said this is a weekly event. Since Americans are masters at complaining, it would have long been stopped.
It’s illegal, but the cops are too busy beating the shit out of minorities to care about cyclists blocking the flow of traffic. If you’re not from the states, you have no right to speak on the traffic law here.
You don’t know the driver’s life. His wife could be in labor, he could be trying to visit a dying loved one
And then risks their own life pulling this stunt?
It’s not my ride group. I’m not even in the same hemisphere, let alone the same ride group
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Never seen so much “As a cyclist” in one thread. Almost everyone is a cyclist at some point even if you don’t like them, they’re ubiquitous and useful, but most people never seem to speak “As a cyclist” until they need to throw an anti-cyclist opinion at a group ride. It’s like saying “As a pedestrian”. It doesn’t give your uncritical social grudges any further weight. One second, maybe I can find an honorary cyclist medal to pin on you or something to make it official.
I’m guessing that’s because, like me, they’ve given up on anything in “Fuck Cars” being a reasonable discussion. I commented to provide a balanced perspective on the situation, rather than just shake my fist at the stupid driver. Guess I should have known not to bother here. I don’t bother arguing with folks on the internet, so this’ll likely be my last post here. Enjoy your echo chamber.
Bye Felicia
Nah
The car going through the grass is a distraction. It shouldnt even be a talking point in this video.
What should be the talking point is a bunch of MAMIL’s feeling like they are entitled to an entire roadway, when they could easily coexist by keeping right and leaving the other lane open.
Which should be the actual focus of this story.
We’re talking about around 100 people taking as much space as 10 cars… The road’s public they have the fucking right to be on it.
Yea but the standard is that slower traffic keeps right, we don’t have to block the entire roadway left to right
The only case where bikes should be the entire road is if its an official event with road closures to accomodate
Yes, exactly.
imagine the rage against cars if there was a picture of cars doing a rolling blockade like this. People would be apoplectic
If its wrong for cars to do it, its wrong for anyone else to do it too. And if you don’t think thats true, then you’re a hypocrite (general you, not accosting you, Baguette)
Imagine the rage against cars if there was a picture of cars doing a rolling blockade like this.
That’s just regular car traffic. And nobody is upset about that.
Taxi drivers do this when protesting
IN my many many decades I’ve never seen anything but police match speed and drive abreast to become a rolling barricade…and that was only to bring traffic to a halt due to an accident up a head.
This isn’t a rolling barricade it’s just a critical mass of cyclists. When there’s enough car traffic to bring travel to a crawl we don’t call it a rolling barricade we just call it throughput capacity.
I used to do that during stop and go traffic, after I saw a couple semis doing it. If you can gauge the average speed of traffic and smooth out the irregularities, everyone gets there at the same time, but we all have a much more relaxed drive.
Now I ride a motorcycle so I can simply go around/between traffic.
…but cars do that already…wot?
Have you never been stuck in a traffic jam? …What are you talking about?
That is strictly an interstate highway standard. This is a local stroad in Florida. Keep right unless passing does not apply here.
If we want to be really pedantic then yes Florida is one of the states that actually has a law for keep right on any multilane road, including the one in the video
Damn then there’s like 80 cyclists passing in this video.
They aren’t
Bike clubs have a leader who manages the group. No one is outpacing the ride leader. It’s not a free for all race, it’s just a club
Like it’s not hard to recognize biking is a great mode of transportation but you should not block the entire roadway for others when doing so
Imagine an ambulance stuck in traffic from their terrible decision or a bus running late because he can’t make his route when going 15mph.
At the end of the day the club is in the wrong, the car driving in the head is in the wrong. There’s no need to make it good guy vs bad guy when both parties are doing things wrong
It’s a joke.
But that doesnt mesh with their feelings and outrage so that doesnt matter.
Yes they do.
They don’t have the fucking right to be a rolling barricade by blocking the entire road for everything behind them.
Jesus christ, the amount of hysterical overreaction and rage in response to daring to suggest the cyclists should keep right and not block everything for everyone, like slow traffic is supposed to do, is patently ridiculous.
It’s pretty ironic that you think everyone else is having an hysterical overreaction.
A classic “no,u”, huh
The group cycling standrad is every 2 together, and at the end a relay protection car behind the whole group. Even if they were 60 or 100 they can still ride in 2s and only take 1 side of the road.
Also, ffs these twats ware doing it for sports… go to a gym, jerk off at home, or block 1 lane , or 2 at worst if the road allows it. Why block the whole road… shit like this is not even acceptable in protests let alone wankers in expensive carbon-fiber rides playing a hobby or sport games.
MAMIL’s
what silly stupid shit is this?
Don’t be a lead huffer. Cars never give way to cyclists in such a manner, no matter how slow their traffic, nor would they ever be expected to. Just like much of the rest of the country, cyclists are every bit as entitled to a safe and full lane as any other road user and nobody except an emergency responder should ever feel entitled to others moving out of their way.
It doesn’t matter if cars give way to 2 wheelers because we can simply go around them. Though in the US its not terribly uncommon for crab-bucket brained drivers to try to block bikes from filtering at red lights.
Exactly, you get met with threats of vehicular assault.
Blocking someone or yelling at them isn’t a threat of violence, its just assholish behavior.
But moving your car in a manner to threaten bodily harm if they’re to pass, outside of normal operation, is assault or intimidation depending on where you do it.
Eh, I never interpreted it as a threat, only “If I can’t go because of traffic, neither can you! Riding on the lines is illegal!”.
I know bicyclists who have been pushed into the shoulder by assholes, that is threatening, but just getting in someone’s way to lower them to your level is merely childish behavior.
Yes yes, insults because you cant stand reasonable discourse over group A being held to the same standard as group B.
“An entire roadway”
It’s like 100-200 feet of the road. If they took up an entire roadway, then how did the car merge at the end of the video?
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It’s also on the immediate approach to a short but narrow causeway, I imagine the group bunched up intentionally so that they could stay together across it rather than getting buzzed by a bunch of trucks and pushed into the ocean.
You might want to check what community you’re in.
last I checked, this was Fuck Cars.
Not “I suck off assholes just because they’re not in cars”
And don’t lie and say you’d not be pissed off if you were stuck behind self centered people blocking whatever path you were on.
Find a different path, genius. There’s more than one road.
Yeah yeah, until its you… Then that volatile temper of yours will be lashing out at the people infront of you. Because its okay until it affects you, personally, right?
Find a different path
Thats literally what the car did, and lemmitors apparently aren’t OK with that either.
“Share the road” goes both ways. It’s a two way street so to say.
Never see this much complaining when the drivers don’t move out of my way in traffic.
South Parks season premiere hasn’t aged at all
South America*
This is on the north end of Key Biscayne, an island connected by bridge to Miami.
They renamed South Park to South America.
I see the highest throughput of people that road had all week now that it isn’t blocked by cars for once.
Is it the highest throughout actually? Density sure, but lower density of people (in a car) per area or length of road at higher speed is still a higher throughout. Fast roads absolutely have a high throughout. Even during heavy traffic you often still go faster than bikes and the whole road is packed with cars at that point.
So… is it actually the highest throughout?
Bikes are not replacing cars 1:1, we instead need shorter distances etc. and reduce the required throughout to begin with.
Let’s say they go around 1/4th of the speed limit (they go faster than that for sure) and let’s say a car on this road is occupied by 2 people on average (which is generous).
To get the same throughput with cars, you need to put one car on the road (with safety distances) for every eight cyclists. No way that’s feasible in this example.
Good point! I agree, the momentary density and throughout are both at a peak there.
Is it the highest throughout actually?
It’s a lightly populated resort island off the coast of Miami, this is definitely the highest capacity of users it sees in any one moment.
Wouldn’t the road be closed for cars? At least no one died
That’s exactly what I was thinking how the fuck a car got in there the roads should be closed or marked. It seems to be a Highway to boot so there shouldn’t be a lot of options left. The guy in the car was dumb yes but the organization incompetent.
Yes I don’t know if this is a governmental issue or an issue with the event organizers.
Like obviously don’t drive in the median and break traffic laws, but this kind of event not being appropriately managed is going to increase the likelihood of accidents. Mostly from assholes driving poorly
Based on other comments in here, this isn’t an organized event. It’s just a group of bikers that do this every single weekend.
So… An organized event.
Looking at their own rules:Edit: the rules they suggest: https://www.active.com/cycling/articles/10-rules-to-group-ride-like-a-pro The second one makes sense when it’s not a planned event. This video shows the complete opposite, the cyclists take up the entire road, five in width. Which looks a lot like an event, when cars wouldn’t be allowed
Why? Bikes are completely legal for road use. Even when there’s more than one of them. Just like cars!
Based on most of the comments here so far, you all hate cyclists more than cars.
What I really seem to hate is just people with zero situational awareness operating any sort of vehicle.
I’m a cyclist and when I’m on a bike I try to use the road responsibly. If I’m no a long climb going 10km/h with cars behind me I try to stop when possible and let them pass safely. I don’t ride next to someone else chatting and blocking the entire lane. I don’t ride on roads with speed limits over 60km/h. I would never do what they are doing in the video. It’s just disrespectful and causing unnecessary tension between drivers and cyclists.
Have you seen how many cyclists there are? Like, should they all ride in line, and let cars pass at an opportunity? What kind of opportunity would that be? 😅 How’s that supposed to work out?
In Germany there’s a law, that 15 cyclists and above are allowed (and should) use the whole lane in a pack, because it slows and obstructs traffic less than 15 or 100 cyclists in a line. Nobody could ever pass that line correctly and safe.
And
. I don’t ride on roads with speed limits over 60km/h
So, nobody should cycle from village A to village B, ever?
They are not using the whole lane. They are using both of the lanes of this side of the road. This is a one-way road, the other is at the other side of the (large) median.
If they only used one whole lane, drivers could pass them on the left lane. There is no “opportunity” needed, they would just be driving normally on the left lane while the bikes use the right one.
The whole situation was manufactured by the bikes and could’ve easily been avoided by using the road by following the rules: traffic goes on the right lane, unless you are going meaningfully faster, in which case you temporarily go on the left lane to pass the slower traffic.
From what I’ve seen in Germany many villages are linked by bike trails anyway. Usually the bike trails are more direct than the major highways anyway
Many are, many are not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. You’re not allowed on highways anyway with the bike, but the normal country roads are usually 100 kph or at least 80 kph.
In my cycling club, when we plan events, if we know there will be this many cyclists we work with police and close the roads. This is the last one we did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-Kfz9S6h4M You can check out the security measures. And we’re just a local club. We do things like this about 3 times a year. Other local clubs do the same. Having as many cyclist as in the video with no security is amateur hour and it’s irresponsible. My guess is they know this and they are doing this on purpose as a form of protests or something
So, nobody should cycle from village A to village B, ever?
In Spain the minimum velocity is half of the speed limit so a car has to go at least 45km/h on 90km/h road. Going slower than that causes dangerous situations. Bikes have to go on the shoulder and I don’t think that’s safe or responsible. I can get to all the villages using secondary, 60km/h roads.
I can get to all the villages using secondary, 60km/h roads.
Good for you. I don’t know of any road outside of my city that is less than 60 km/h, most are 80 or 100.
My guess is they know this and they are doing this on purpose as a form of protests or something
Well, from the short video, they have at least seemingly safety motorcycles, because the video is filmed from one. But it might as well be a protest, e.g. for better cycling infrastructure, what about it? If some lunatics protest in my city for whatever the fuck I also can’t just drive through them, just because I don’t like their topic or that they’re occupying the road. From my view, if this is a political thing, people need to accept it even more, because voicing an opinion and taking it literally to the street is important.
But it might as well be a protest, e.g. for better cycling infrastructure, what about it?
Then they are being disruptive on purpose. They are not trying to share the road responsibly, they are not doing this because that’s the best and safest way to do it.
I still don’t see them being very disruptive. They’re part of traffic and use the road, probably as intended with such a large group of cyclists. Doesn’t excuse or warrant assholish (and dangerous) behavior of car drivers.
And, once again, 'cause you just skipped over that part. If it is a protest, the other participanis still would need to accept it, because this is how protest works in a society.
Of course they would have to accept it. What do you think I’m saying? That it’s ok to just ram them? But it’s actually not how protests works in a society. You apply for a permit and ensure everyone safety. The law defines bases on which such permit can be denied. Courts make sure that administration fallows this laws.
And it doesn’t really matter if it’s very disruptive or just a little bit disruptive . It’s not a normal weekend bicycle ride that is a normal part of traffic. It’s done in a way that inconvenient to other people on the road. That’s the point people are making here. Not that it’s illegal (depends on local laws) or that it’s ok to murder them. Just that it’s disruptive.
Go ride on the shoulder up the mountain from Benagalbón to Almáchar and tell me how that goes. You clearly aren’t riding anywhere near Málaga.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Fuck off with your gate kipping. I cycle where I want.
It means there is no fucking shoulder.
So basically, you aren’t a self centered asshole is what you are saying?
If I’m no a long climb going 10km/h with cars behind me I try to stop
Imma stop you right there. That’s not “being respectful”, it’s being a fucking pushover. The last thing you want to do while on a climb steep enough to drop you to 10 km/h is pull over and stop. Pull across to the side of there’s enough room for them to pass, sure, but keep that momentum at all costs.
That said, if this ride is on open roads, then road rules should be followed. Where I live that means two abreast (plus more if overtaking), but a blob that’s at least 5 wide in parts.
keep that momentum at all costs.
Who am I racing? It changes absolutely nothing for me. I’m not stopping in places that are bad for it but if there’s a road where I can get of the road for 5 seconds and then start again it costs me absolutely nothing to do it.
Who said anything about racing? It costs a huge amount. Starting on a 10% grade hill is an enormous amount of energy compared to just keeping going as you were, and it puts you in significant danger as you do it.
I already explained that “being able to stop” also means “being able to start later”. I have no idea why you’re so worried about my energy expenditure. Don’t worry, I will get back home even if my mountain times will be terrible.
This isn’t a confessional, it’s OK.
there’s a lot of vroom vroom apologists who spend their days on these threads. it’s wild.
Its like those people who go to the childfree forums and act like a ‘genocide’ is being committed against parenrs and wanna-be-parents …
jfc forreal? that’s a thing?
how do these fucks have so much free time?
bro hit up childfree lemmy or even r/childfree on reddit iif you can stand the new reddit and see for yourself.
Survey after survey shows that most people are currently parents or want to be parennts in the future… WHAT GENOCIDE?!
fucking hell…
8 billion aren’t enough people in the world, nah, it’s genocide to not add to the problem… wow.
lol @ https://lemmy.world/u/blarh downvoting these… he wants bebbies
I feel like this thread made it to some frontpages. Never good when that happens.
Personally speaking because I am both. Cyclists don’t obey the rules of the road to the same rigor as a car. Both parties are open to hate.
Now that said, only one of them is in a 2 tonne death machine.
Most cars don’t obey the rules of the road for shit. Case in point above
Yeah and case in point a cyclist is rarely going to kill someone in a head on collision but a car will.
Even in the post, one driver freaks out and does this unhinged maneuver, all the others stay behind the bikes. So fuck off with “most cars”.
Indeed, why should they? The rules of the road where made expressly for cars, not bikes, and there are several states which sensibly make carve outs for bicycles and motorcycles.
But, as you point out, the risk for breaking the rules–real or perceived–fall entirely on the cyclist, so I absolutely see no equivalence.
Ya don’t break a rule; the car runs you over because distracted driver.
Ya break a rule to avoid distracted driver; you get ran over because your rule breaking in your tiny and light bicycle triggered the road rage of someone in a SUV whose control was entirely based on spite and the fact everyone else should follow rules without exception (that the state legislature carved for cyclists to try to minimize their deaths).
Being a cyclist commuter is fun, much recommended.
The problem with cars is that they immediately make every other form of transportation incredibly shitty.
Pedestrians and cyclists get killed. Buses get stuck in traffic.
I hate cars, but what am I supposed to do? Getting out of my car is just an invitation to get killed by one. And if I wanted to live entirely without a car, I’d have to move to a city, where I would never be more than 12-feet away from cars and have to cross a road every block, risking my life because of shitty fucking cars.
When we say, “We’re not saying get rid of cars, we’re just saying we need options”, to not scare the carbrains, well, the only way to have real options (ie safe roads) is to have roads entirely without cars.
I would love for my city center to become car free. There is like a square mile that would make so much sense.
YUUP YUP YUP!
We have to get rid of these ‘reforms after reforms’ for car centric infraatructure and for car company, oil company, and plastics companies lobbyists because they will mever make us all happy. We CANNOT reform society in its current form to allow us to use cars and for all other people who use other forms of transportation to also be happy inside most municipalities. We are doing this right now and most of us are unhappy about our transportation. Car users get stuck in traffic, create traffic, and those who dont use cars get mowed down by them like its air.
WE NEED COMPLETE REVOLUTION. Reform will nnevevr work. We. Need. Revolution.
We have to completely revolutionize how we use our roads , transporarion paths , and transportation methods , and how we construct or even demolish different transporation infrastructure.
Making reforms around cars will lead us nowhere. Cars have always been a deadly or time consuming problem for all other people who use other forms of transportation…so…revolutionize society so that cars are so rare that ONLY the governmental officials or people out in VERY open areas using cars recreationally ever get to use them. Ban cars from the majority of the innards of EVERY municipality. YOU DONT HAVE TO BUILD CAR-CENTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE CITIES AND TOWNS WHEN IT IS PRACTICALLY ILLEGAL FOR CARS TO BE OPERATED INSIDE THEM.
I think this creeping incrementalism definitely has a limit. I think the goal is to build enough of a political constituency that you can push for the big changes… but for real change, you eventually have to TRULY inconvenience drivers. Look how the fucking freak out about barriers… like there was a barrier protecting a bike lane that kept getting hit by cars… so they removed the barrier!! The best we can do is paint and stick strips that cars always drive over or park on, and they’re still furious. So, yeah, we have to start defeating them on the local level, in places where it IS possible to live without even a drivers license–the kinds of places where the people with cars drive into for work and therefore don’t have a direct vote.
maybe its my metro area but I feel motorists are more likely to not follow the rules. There is cyclists but its a pretty low percentage. The ones that do though really do and make themselves a nuisance. There was a guy that would just ignore the red light on a major intersection. like two four lanes. during rush hour because I guess he felt since everything is slowed up he can just fuck right through.
Nah, you’re correct. Any time a study is done on this it finds that either drivers and cyclists break the law at similar rates, or drivers break it more.
There’s also the difference in why they do it. Drivers break the law out of convenience. Because it’s easier to do, or because it gets them where they’re going faster. Cyclists sometimes do that, but far more than drivers, they’re likely to do it because it’s safer. Because laws are often made for car drivers in ways that aren’t appropriate to cyclists, and so breaking the law is often safer. The classic example is treating stop signs as give way signs in places that haven’t implemented an Idaho Stop rule.
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Depending on your local that could be perfectly legal. It’s called an Idaho Stop. You can treat stop signs as yields and red light like a stop sign. You’re not supposed to treat a red light as a yield so if he’s doing that it’s illegal everywhere as far as I know.
there are cars in the intersection which you can’t do with a stop so its not treating the red light like a stop.
My 2 cents is the closer to a downtown you get the better the drivers are because of proximity however the cyclists are shit at obeying rules. Outside downtown cars are horrible in respecting cyclists who usually end up better at obeying laws because of the speeds.
You’re actually right and it goes down to how drivers respond to their surroundings. Areas with narrower streets, more traffic, and more pedestrians encourage drivers to be more observant passively.
When you have a wide, clear, straight road people pay less attention.
It’s a psychology thing and some people are trying to design roads around the concept
Cyclists don’t obey the rules of the road to the same rigor as a car
Bullshit
Makes sense actually, the rules of the road were made almost explicitly for cars and in many cases following all of them can put a cyclist in serious danger.
Spend a few years downtown in any metropolitan area and see if you change your tune. The amount of cyclists (myself included) who drive through lights or advances, don’t indicate directions, wrong way on a one way street, cutting through parking lots or alleys the list goes on and on.
No, it’s objectively bullshit. It’s been studied many times and the result always proves that carbrained nonsense to be bullshit.
Drivers break the law all the time. They run blatant reds. They fail to stop when safe to do so at a yellow. They speed. They ignore stop signs. They fail to give way to pedestrians. The pass cyclists too close. They fail to indicate correctly at roundabouts more often than they do it correctly.
The only difference is people are too carbrained to even notice these. Oh, and the reasons for it (cyclists tend to break the law for their own safety unlike car drivers who do it for convenience) and the consequences when they do (cyclists endanger nobody except occasionally themselves, drivers endanger everyone around them).
“Cyclists don’t obey the rules of the road to the same rigor as a car.”
Because you don’t need a license for a bike, the rules are there because cars and motorbikes are incredibly dangerous compared to walking or biking (for everyone involved). A large part of people who bike don’t know the rules because they don’t need to, just the basic stuff and having situational awareness is enough. The issue is that many in all above mentioned kinds don’t have that, they’re either too dumb, thinking about something else or using their phones etc. But it’s way more important for the people who are in control of the most dangerous vehicles to be the ones who know and follow the rules.
Know what solves this. Protected bike infrastructure that segregates car and cycling traffic. You all are making good points on both sides. But if the two types of traffic never interact this becomes a non-issue.
Even with segregated bike lanes these people will still drive on the road. There have been many times people drove their cars into groups of them where I live because of frustration. (I live in Western Europe where there’s great bicycle infrastructure). So yeah, as long as they drive where they are supposed to drive it’s fine, but it doesn’t magically solves it.
because of frustration.
yeah that’s actually called poor impulse control, it happens everywhere and we don’t blame the victims.
Yeah I’m not blaming. I’m saying it won’t magically fix it and make everything safe.
Can I ask? Where you live are the bike paths “lanes” or are they “physically” protected from car traffic? Do cars have to knock down steel bollards and jump concrete barricades to enter bike lanes or is it some paint and the honor system? Because if it’s the latter I’m not surprised at all. And if they are protected I’m wondering about the failure points or if people are just jacking up their cars to save five minutes? I’m genuinely curious - please let me know.
Both.
Said western Europe. So probably proper bike lanes. I live in western Europe, Spain specifically. There’s the road, then a steel railing, then the river-like trench along the road, and then the bike lane.
The bike lane is completely empty, there’s 3-4 “cyclists” in Lycra using the road.
Because real cyclists use the road and wear lycra. The bike lane is for the noobs.
Actual cyclists that use the bike lane to move from one town to the other do use the bike lane and don’t use Lycra though. They’re probably the butt of the joke for the lycra dudes, because they didn’t even pay 10k€ for there bikes, most probably it was just 300€ for the bike lane-capable bike.
“Frustration”
I don’t know if that’s really the right word.
Look how many are biking, a bike lane wouldn’t help here, they are taking over the whole road like they own it
Cyclists have the right to use the full Lane. Imagine if each of these people were in their own car.
You’re absolutely right, they have every right to use the full lane. They should use the full lane.
But why are they taking both lanes?
Maybe the full lane, what they are doing here is illegal where I live, taking the whole road. Stay in your lane
I’m surprised nobody in here commented that maybe there was an actual life or death emergency the car occupants were dealing with?
Like, fuck cars, but also maybe the driver had a real reason to do that. At least I feel like if you frame it that way it’s less infuriating. Who knows if that’s true but it makes me less mad to think that way.
entitled shits late for brunch more likely.
All the LOCAL drivers know to expect it. If someone is from out of town they would have no way of knowing that happens on that road unless there are signs posted or something. The dude is still a dipshit though.
Yeah, indeed, the argument of “everyone knows it” makes no sense, best case most locals know about it indeed (but even locals that usually aren’t there at that time of the week probably never heard of it either).
This road is also literally like 1 mile long. In this clip I’m pretty sure the group is approaching the causeway that takes them off the little island they’re touring and back into Miami. Lil Cooper just had to wait like 2 more minutes and he could have preserved his undercarriage.
Was anyone else hoping he would have hit a hidden ditch and wrecked his car?
Not wrecked, but I was kinda hoping itd be an open diff and get stuck with 1 wheel spinning when they tried to get back on pavement until a kind bicyclist helped weight it down.
Actually admire some one taking a mini back to its rally roots
