Where is lawbreaking not just visible, but designed to be seen? Where is antisocial behaviour worn as a badge of honour? Where is pleasure gained directly from causing distress? And where is reckless endangerment often ignored by the police or treated with the mildest of punishments? The answer is on the roads.
I understand the academic roots and I’m sure the paper it was coined in is top tier sociology. But we have got to stop labeling bad shit as masculine, it only amplifies the behavior. The dude 6" off your bumper is not going to hear “petro-masculinity” and have a quiet contemplative moment about carbon emissions and road safety. He’s going to feel scolded, hear that you’re triggered and frightened of his masculinity, and then he’s going to start driving even more aggressively out of spite. And nobody will stop him, because nobody with the power to do so cares. Hell, the cops themselves are often the ones who drive like this.
Is there any action that won’t trigger spite from this type of person? Their entire existence consists of playing the victim and throwing tantrums because somebody advocated for something different to what they are used to.
This thread got me thinking. I think OP is correct that we need to stop doing the masculinity thing. If its a behavior change we are hoping for a better way to cause self reflection might be to use some of the noble features of what they think masculinity is. Does a protector drive like that and endanger everyone? Other peoples families / kids are also on the road. Would someone trust you to drive their loved ones around? Dont you want to be the guy everyone can count on to do the right thing and get us back safe?
Hey man I saw you pull into the lot the other day. I was surprised cause don’t act like you would drive that way. Make them question how they are being perceived. A little manipulative but fuck it.
Really good way to go about it. You do the same thing with children.
Yep. If you want to reach people it’s gotta be relevant to what they care about.
Nah, this doesn’t work. I tried to gently tell a guy at the gas station one time, in one of those huge lifted pickups, that he had his brights on (as a hint that his headlights were too fucking bright) and he freaked out on me, screaming, threatening, etc.
Gently doesn’t work and you were a stranger. These messages need to come from friends or acquaintances / coworkers / clients. The message needs to be delivered assertively while leaving them a small out to protect their ego.
They won’t change in front of you, they need to process that on their own. Don’t rub their face in it if they change.
shoulda stopped there. these idiots have made their entire culture about this trash and it’s killing us all.
edit: I love how many car-thusiast dickheads are in #fuckcars
Listen dude I dont disagree largely, but people can and do change all the time. My posts are solution focused should you want to try something to the chuds in your life, be safe.
pfft. people die. that’s about it. look at how many carthusiast dickheads are in this thread defending cars.
we’re going to die because they love their zoom zooms more than they can comprehend it’s killing the fucking thing that lets them breath and makes their food. And you’re defending them bwhahaha. don’t rub it in their face - why?
THEY RUB IT INTO OUR LUNGS EVERY FUCKING DAY, HOW THICK DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO IGNORE THAT?
Do you want to be right or do you want things to improve? You don’t rub it in their face because its antagonizing and ultimately defeats the purpose of trying to help them see another way to act.
Also not defending cars you dumbass.
Also, do you eat meat? Animal ag contributes more to environmental decay than cars.
Maybe, maybe not. I know for a fact that this type of communication backfires spectacularly though.
dumbest sentences I’ve read in ages. “MAYBE, MAYBE NOT, BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT”
well then if you know for a fact, it’s not maybe, maybe not? do you even think about what you’re writing?
apologist for garbage, wants people to think about the poor persecuted masculinity.
pfft. poor fucking babies
Y’all can’t think past your own feelings. Rhetoric matters. This rhetoric makes chuds double down. Irrespective of whether or not theres some optimal phrasing this phrasing sucks.
they doubled, tripled and mortgaged their house, grandparents and teeth a long time ago.
not any more offensive than maybe maybe not i know for a fact lol.
I love that the chuds can engage in whatever heinous shit they want to say, outright racism fascism etc., but you’re upset for the chuds that’ll be upset.
DUDE, GET YOUR FUCKING PRIORITIES IN ORDER
The sentence,
relates to the question,
from the poster above.
The phrase,
refers to the phrase,
that being,
which, of course, is a strict subset of “any action”. It is therefore entirely possible to have certain knowledge of one without certain knowledge of the other.
Maybe you should learn how to read full sentences before you ask people if they think before writing?
HE FUCKING SHOULD. HE SHOULD BE TRIGGERED.
You are completely missing the point in some silly fucking kindness competition.
As for your rhetorical chops, construct better sentences bro. jfc
I haven’t taken any side in the kindness debate, I am merely taking issue with the fact that you lack basic reading comprehension skills and you’re being an arsehole to other people about it.
Case in point:
Read that quote again. The scoldee is not the person who is triggered in that sentence. The scoldee imagines that that scolder is triggered.
Making fun of them, making them part of the outgroup. You can’t show fear, so in this case with the car just get out of the way and let them fuck tenderness up the road because they will get caught. Or call the cops and say they are swerving appearing drunk lol.
But in regular life you basically need to laugh in their face and cut them out of being in the group.
Which paper? All I’m seeing is an opinion piece. I’m confused by you linking this to sociology research
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0305829818775817journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0305829818775817
https://autonomy.work/portfolio/petro-masculinity-climate-refusal/
I didn’t pay for access but the abstract seems pretty solid, and the blog post I linked (by the same author) lays out a pretty convincing line between 20th century white american masculinity and support for fossil fuels even in the face of their economic obsolescence.
It’s great work, I just question the wisdom of using academic terminology in op-eds. Like obviously the fascist is going to throw stones but why oh why would you willingly hand them a bigger rock
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oh poor fuckin baby, he’s gonna feel scolded because he’s being CALLED OUT ON HIS SHIT BEHAVIOR
Is the important thing to correct the behavior or to score points?
I don’t know, do I also get the benefit of being treated with kid gloves or just these chuds?
I don’t give a fuck about points, people need to see that this behavior is unacceptable.
they’re shitting into your lungs, your children’s future, you should be outraged. their petulant garbage is poisoning the entire fucking planet, cooking us where we live, the fact that you’re not incensed is an indicator of how easy they’ve had it. every vroom takes food off your kids plate, every belch of smog adds to the asthma and copd.
how can you have any idea of the damage and NOT be angry? are you that much of a chickenshit that you’ll watch a bunch of utter morons destroy the ONLY KNOWN, ACCESSIBLE, LIVABLE ECOSYSTEM IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING UNIVERSE, and won’t even get a bit cranky because ‘oh it’s to score points’
fuck points, I want my kids to live in a world that’s not an ecological hellscape.
I am very angry, I’m just also trying to stay measured here.
We need that chucklefuck in the f-350 to play ball. His feelings are important because his reactions are important. Telling him how bad and dumb he is and tying it to his identity as a man is counterproductive because all that shit just makes him double down.
LOLOLOL
you’re never going to convince them with kindness. dude, wake the fuck up - if they cared at all, they wouldn’t be these people.
you’re gonna waste the remainder of your life trying to be kind while the world chokes on their effluence.